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To: AvOrdVet
From “The Truth About Texas” by Anne Dingus (IHNW, IJLS “Anne Dingus”) ISBN 0-87719-282-0.

Here's what it has to say about secession:

Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861. Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede from the Union, and because its ideology is far different from that of the rest of the US, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails.

One privilege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land.

19 posted on 02/01/2009 5:32:07 PM PST by engrpat (End the National Nightmare on 1-20-2013)
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To: engrpat

I think the biggest problem for the U.S. is that the states agreed to come into the U.S. under the U.S. Constitution and if the Federal Government reneges on the Constitutional provisions the “contract” would be broken allowing the state to secede.


20 posted on 02/01/2009 5:37:41 PM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: engrpat
Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861.

Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede from the Union, and because its ideology is far different from that of the rest of the US, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails. One privilege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land. Now that is in our constitution and it means just that. We have the right to decide. The secession of the southern states before the civil war was perfectly legal and correct. The North, however, didn't want the south to secede and so pressured the south until a war was started and justified.

Granted, the states rights that the south chose to secede over were about slavery and owning slaves as property but they had the right idea and should have been allowed to secede without war.

States will secede if this sh** keeps up and I don't think our armed forces will actually go to war over it, since most of the members of the armed forces are conservatives.

114 posted on 02/02/2009 9:18:28 AM PST by calex59
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To: engrpat
Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861.

Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede from the Union, and because its ideology is far different from that of the rest of the US, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails. One privilege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land.

I really don't give a rat's hind end what the SCOTUS ruled in regards to secession, of course they are going to say it is unconstitutional, it is in the Supreme's best interest NOT to allow secession. Humans, and that includes humans in states, have the right to live under what ever government they want.

Now that is in our constitution and it means just that. We have the right to decide. The secession of the southern states before the civil war was perfectly legal and correct. The North, however, didn't want the south to secede and so pressured the south until a war was started and justified.

Granted, the states rights that the south chose to secede over were about slavery and owning slaves as property but they had the right idea and should have been allowed to secede without war.

States will secede if this sh** keeps up and I don't think our armed forces will actually go to war over it, since most of the members of the armed forces are conservatives.

115 posted on 02/02/2009 9:19:27 AM PST by calex59
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To: engrpat

“However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union”

Did he read the Tenth Amendment before this was said?


120 posted on 02/02/2009 9:38:08 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("Let 'em learn the hard way, 'cause teaching them is more trouble than they're worth,")
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