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Stories like this are part of the liberal effort to reverse the welfare reform of the 1990s, which Obama disapproved of.

Obama has a consistent ideology and only bends on issues to the extent he has to. He knows that government dependents are part of his base, and he will take care of his base. Republicans could learn something from the way he operates.

1 posted on 02/01/2009 8:34:08 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

They need to throw the users.


2 posted on 02/01/2009 8:36:21 PM PST by allmost
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To: reaganaut1

Corporate Welfare though has seen quite a massive expansion.


4 posted on 02/01/2009 8:38:30 PM PST by Tempest (Greed is putting money before PEOPLE.)
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To: reaganaut1

Needs a barf alert.


5 posted on 02/01/2009 8:42:19 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: reaganaut1

This stuff is like rocket science to Lefties. Their big brotherism takes money out of the poor’s pockets too.


6 posted on 02/01/2009 8:42:43 PM PST by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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I question the myth of welfare reform. Reform may have been a reality at the beginning but I think the reality is much different even before the economic free fall. I think welfare reform critics only count reductions in selected programs. I know that refundable tax credits are not counted as welfare. There are many other ways that government provides welfare. The stimulus is an explosion in welfare so any pretense of welfare reform now is surely shattered.


7 posted on 02/01/2009 8:42:45 PM PST by businessprofessor
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"Michigan cut its welfare rolls 13 percent, though it was one of two states whose October unemployment rate topped 9 percent."

What does welfare rolls have to do with unemployment rates? Is it automatically assumed now that people collecting unemployment automatically go on welfare when their benefits run out?

Besides, it's a given that welfare rolls WILL rise as this economy worsens, and as states run out of unemployment and welfare funds they will be borrowing them from the federal government.

No worries, Obama will keep the printing presses rolling, authorizing overtime, and adding more shifts as the demand rises.

As the dollar value drops, it will be no problem paying people welfare with worthless money. don't forget, all other social programs like old age security and unemployment insurance will be getting their worthless money checks too, so everyone will be treated fairly.

Perhaps they will be able to save some money in other government departments; municiple dogcatchers won't be needed, because there won't be a stray dog or cat to be found anywhere, rat populations will decrease as well, along with all the other little critters that are easily caught in crude snares.

9 posted on 02/01/2009 8:56:00 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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The deepening recession offers a fresh challenge to the program, which was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton in 1996 amid bitter protest and became one of the most closely watched social experiments in modern memory.

Interesting that the New Yorkian Times would mention "social experiments" in connection w spending.

We have a complete report on just such an experiment. It's titled, simply...

California.

You see, not too long ago, back in about 01, 02, and early 03, alleged, and Democrat Governor of California Gray Davis went on a spending spree not unlike that which the Dem Congress is currently hawking.

The spending was for things that Californians did not need, but it increased entitlements and government and IIRC the illegal aliens did pretty well too.

That, my good FRiends, put the Great State of California into a financial tailspin, which is still hounding us today.

The Dems in our legislature, who have no idea about where money comes from, keep trying to raise taxes to pay our vast debts. The mere threat of more taxes causes tax PAYERS just like me to move away.

So, this is a report to the New Yorkian Times on a social spending experiment. It turned out the way they all do, and always will. Look at the social spending meccas - - Detroit, New Orleans, etc. They are experiments with available conclusions, too.

But California is the true living laboratory.

Imagine, going from 6th (depending on who you ask) biggest economy in the world to insolvency, all because of economic ignorance, blind political faith, and...social spending.

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10 posted on 02/01/2009 8:59:51 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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Hmmmm...weren’t we talking about the repercussions of this a short while ago? Not to start it up all over again here, but this does rather give “substance” to our suppositions.


11 posted on 02/01/2009 9:05:04 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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Michigan cut its welfare rolls 13 percent, though it was one of two states whose October unemployment rate topped 9 percent. Rhode Island, the other, had the nation’s largest welfare decline, 17 percent.

Probably has more to do with large population decreases in these states, rather than actual need.   More NY Times BS.

13 posted on 02/01/2009 9:13:09 PM PST by Libertarian444
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To: reaganaut1

Leave it the slimes to see anything bad in less people receiving welfare.


15 posted on 02/01/2009 9:34:54 PM PST by eclecticEel (Wall Street isn't a charity ... so why are we giving them money?)
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Could it be the ‘bailout’ for bankers is starting to show up in liberals polling data? The masses of downtrodden and 40 under college educated were anticipating peace, peace, peace, and prosperity come January 20, 2009, when the ‘evil’ George Bush got sent packing?

So what is a liberal to do? Bama planted a full crop of deception that he was bringing in ‘good times’ and word is getting out he now he is calling for sacrifice? I doubt very seriously his beloved base are going to be all the pleased with only a $500 check, more food stamps and an extension in unemployment benefits, while the rich liberal bankers are getting billions.

These liberal elites love to peacock strut their stuff but I am guessing there are many liberal elites who are doubting their own tail feathers.

Further I am expecting some rich liberal spewing ‘let them eat ‘pie’! All the while the misery index increases by the media bull horns spreading the ‘bad’ news.

16 posted on 02/01/2009 10:03:21 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: reaganaut1

I think I will keep all my money out of the country, like Kennedy and Soros, when I get rich. Welfare needs to come from the sheeple, not me.


17 posted on 02/01/2009 10:28:14 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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