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President Obama seeks Russia deal to slash nuclear weapons [by 80 per cent.........]
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Posted on 02/03/2009 1:57:23 PM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: Williams

Oh, I’m sure he means that WE will reduce our nuclear stockpile by 80%

“to show leadership”


21 posted on 02/03/2009 2:05:52 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Retired Greyhound
20% of today's nukes is still enough to blow up the world many times over.

Actually, given the yields of many of them, they aren't. I'll bet you that there are more than 1,000 targets in China and Russia that could survive anything short of a direct nuclear hit and it's not a given that all will be delivered or work as intended. The threat of turning each other into a smouldering greasy spot is what kept the United States, Soviet Union, and China from a direct military confrontation through the latter half of the 20th Century. Why are we messing with success?

23 posted on 02/03/2009 2:08:26 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Sub-Driver

I told my daughter this information during the election. She repeated it in class to the amusement of her teacher and was belittled for it and he practically called me a moron.

I can’t WAIT to find out this jerk’s email address and send him the article.

And if anyone believes that Russia really WILL get rid of their nuclear arms, I have some ocean property in Arizona...


24 posted on 02/03/2009 2:08:58 PM PST by autumnraine
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To: Sub-Driver

Jimmy Carter was my first thought too.


25 posted on 02/03/2009 2:10:32 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama’s going to think he’s actually winning the three-card-monty game, until the other players kick over the cardboard box and disappear into the crowd with American’s lost military dominance in their pockets.


26 posted on 02/03/2009 2:11:18 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Sub-Driver
We shouldn't kid ourselves about what is going on, with regard to our nuclear weapons stockpile.

Both parties are destroying it as fast as they can.  These articles should help folks understand that.

When one of the articles talks about our nukes not being destroyed until 2023, just remember that nukes must be refreshed and serviced continually.

The idea the weapons sent to the DOE will be kept operational is pure fantasy IMO.

Note the graph in the first article.  Please note that the goal was to cut these weapons, and that the former president cut them years ahead of schedule.  Who knows how many we actually have right this minute, since other timetables may have also been sped up?

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/12/white_house_announces_secret_n.php

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-07/2007-07-03-voa72.cfm?CFID=105588408&CFTOKEN=18551550&jsessionid=0030f6a8c38e55de650e733d605f4f5c1225

27 posted on 02/03/2009 2:11:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Yesterday morning I awoke after having a bad dream that someone in this Administration illegally dumped & destroyed 1000 tons of enriched uranium yellow-cake that the USA has stockpiled.

Now that I see this article I mark it as a prophetic dream that we need to be praying against!!!

28 posted on 02/03/2009 2:12:52 PM PST by prophetic (God, let 0Bama and his evil plans for this country fail & let him be utterly disgraced like HAMAN!!)
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To: Question_Assumptions

“The threat of turning each other into a smouldering greasy spot is what kept the United States, Soviet Union, and China from a direct military confrontation through the latter half of the 20th Century. Why are we messing with success”?

If it’s not one horseman, it’s another.


29 posted on 02/03/2009 2:13:06 PM PST by RC one
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To: Sub-Driver

Anyone ever see the movie “7 Days In May”?


30 posted on 02/03/2009 2:13:52 PM PST by Nachum (Ancient Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Hey just dismantle our nukes and sell/give them to Iran and Syria.

Obama's secret nuke talks with Iran exposed

31 posted on 02/03/2009 2:15:09 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: ChicagahAl

>> Then let’s work to expand and improve nuclear weapons in the US.

I would also point out that improving our own nuclear weapons capability — indeed, ALL defense spending — is REAL stimulus to the economy, not that fake welfare crapola they’re peddling.


32 posted on 02/03/2009 2:15:42 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Didn’t Sec. Def. Cohen place flowers in the nuke silos in Russia?


34 posted on 02/03/2009 2:16:43 PM PST by Carley (Remember when we had a real President)
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To: Sub-Driver

This clown will start WW3. 1000 warheads is NOT enough to protect us from Russia AND China. If we go into WW3 with this
group of morons in charge ... WE WILL LOSE ... BIG TIME


35 posted on 02/03/2009 2:17:28 PM PST by clamper1797 (Obummer ... "Change ... for the worst")
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To: kc8ukw

It will be nearly impossible to build a defense against supersonic cruise missiles. ICBMs, it’s a given. Cruise missiles, big vulnerability.

Remember also that our large population bases are generally near the ocean.

Worldwide something like 80 to 90% of the earth’s populace lives withing 100 miles of an ocean. (I may be off by a bit here, but it’s something close to this)


36 posted on 02/03/2009 2:17:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Nachum
My worry is that this could be part of an Obama / Ayers Doctrine to weaken the United States defense capability.

It's a darned shame that Mister Obama just doesn't have the same affection have we for this great Country, and our customs, and our ways, and our remarkable history; and he apparently sees little need for its defense. .

37 posted on 02/03/2009 2:18:32 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

Next, the total elimination of nuclear weapons by the world’s superpowers, thus insuring parity with every rogue state on the planet.....

.....and conventional warfare in perpetuity.


38 posted on 02/03/2009 2:19:04 PM PST by shibumi (By the Authority of Hung Mung, Patron of Chaos and Keeper of The Sacred Chao)
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To: Sub-Driver

Something they never mention is the correct definition of the word “overkill”. What few people realize is that overkill does *not* mean hitting the same target multiple times.

Instead, overkill means that missiles experience such incredible stresses from leaving their silo to hitting their target, that a significant number of them don’t work. You have to fire extra missiles to hit all the targets you want to hit.

But how many missiles don’t work? Often the number can be very high, from 20-60%. Many will blow up in their silos, or fail at several stages during launch, go off course, tear themselves apart in flight, and to top it all off, their nuclear weapon doesn’t go off.

A nuclear detonation can seriously damage missiles in a very wide area around it, with an electromagnetic pulse, a shock wave, heat and radiation.

So how many nuclear weapons targets are there in Russia? If there are more than 400 to 800, there is a likelihood that the US would need more missiles. However, this assumes that we would use all our missiles up at once, and keep none in reserve.

This would be foolish to do, given the strong chance that many targets wouldn’t be hit at all.

Oh yes, and did I forgot to mention enemy anti-missile missiles? Just flying our missiles there is not enough. They have to evade the missile defenses.

So how many missiles is enough? Probably a lot more than 1000.


39 posted on 02/03/2009 2:19:37 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Question_Assumptions
Why are we messing with success?

Because Obambi wrote a college term paper saying "we can."

40 posted on 02/03/2009 2:21:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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