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India warns Obama on intervening in Kashmir
The Financial Times ^ | February 4, 2009 | James Lamont and Amy Kazmin

Posted on 02/04/2009 9:05:14 PM PST by indcons

New Delhi has warned Barack Obama that he is "barking up the wrong tree" if he tries to broker a deal between Pakistan and India over the disputed territory of Kashmir.

MK Narayanan, India's national security adviser, said the new US president was in danger of dredging up outdated Clinton-era strategies in an effort to improve ties between the nuclear armed neighbours.

"I do think that we could make President Obama understand, if he does nurse any such view, that he is barking up the wrong tree. I think Kashmir today has become one of the quieter and safer places in this part of the world," Mr Narayanan said in an interview with CNBC TV18.

"It's possible that at this time there are elements, -perhaps in the administration who are harking back to the pre-2000 era."

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dhimmiwatch; india; islam; jihad; kashmir; obama; obamatruthfile; pakistan; religionofpeace; rop; zero
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Not even 2 weeks in office and the "Boy Wonder" has already managed to turn the clock, by a decade, on US-India ties.

Is this debacle being caused by Obama's inexperience or his love for muslims of all shades/stripes?

1 posted on 02/04/2009 9:05:14 PM PST by indcons
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; CarrotAndStick; Srirangan; little jeremiah

“India warns Obama; claims that Zero is barking up the wrong tree” ping


2 posted on 02/04/2009 9:06:49 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: indcons

Iran warns Obama, India warns Obama, China warns Obama, who’s next? Did I forget Russia? Just wait until Bibi gets elected next week. Fireworks in the Middle East all over again.


3 posted on 02/04/2009 9:09:15 PM PST by bergmeid (Watchin' Obrother self-destruct)
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To: indcons
So in just 2 weeks, Obama has had his peepee slapped by Great Britain, the EU, China, Russia, and now India.

America's standing on the world stage is BACK!

4 posted on 02/04/2009 9:09:53 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: bergmeid
Iran warns Obama, India warns Obama, China warns Obama, who’s next?

My cats have been screaming something about a cat-food tax.

5 posted on 02/04/2009 9:10:44 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: bergmeid

Don’t forget - this guy was supposed to “improve” our “battered” image around the world!!

/s


6 posted on 02/04/2009 9:11:05 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: indcons
Kashmir elections: Changed public mood, pro-India party wins

By M A Yusufzai

With National Conference having emerged as the largest party in the elections for state Assembly in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), [India] its leader Omar Abdullah, 38, has become the youngest Chief Minister of the state.

Omar Abdullah is the son former Chief Minister of Kashmir, Dr Faruq Abdullah, and grandson of the legendary Kashmiri leader, the late Sheikh Muhammad Abdullah famously known as Sher-e-Kashmir (Lion of Kashmir).

Notwithstanding the calls by separatist leaders to boycott these elections, the surprising 66% turnout of voters is being interpreted as a rejection of militancy and azadi (freedom) by Kashmiris. Only last year the state witnessed massive anti-India demonstrations over Amarnath land issue. Looking at the strength and ant-India feelings expressed in these rallies, this turnout is has taken everyone by surprise. Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, has welcomed the large turnout as, “vote for democracy and national integration”.

Expressing his shock, however, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, a hardliner in the umbrella body of anti-India Hurriyat Conference, said that this was something he had “never thought would happen.” He insists that “Elections, redrawing of the boundaries or autonomy are not solutions to the Kashmir problem. The right to self-determination is the only solution.”

Rejecting the general notion that Kashmiris had turned their backs on freedom and had voted for democracy, Geelani said, “People voted for roads, electricity, water and other local issues. They didn’t vote for the resolution of the Kashmir issue. They (the mainstream politicians) promised the people green pastures. Let’s see if they can keep those promises.”

Mirwaise Umar Farooq, a moderate face in the Hurriyat Conference, has, however, conceded, “It is all about lack of rapport...We have to acknowledge that the rural people have genuine problems like pani (water) and bijli (electricity) and Hurriyat is not in a position to address them. But India is always projecting it as a substitute to solution (of Kashmir issue).” Mirwaise also said, “We [Hurriyat leaders] also need to introspect. We will sit together and rethink about our future strategy. But that is possible only after our leaders are released and curbs on our movement lifted.”

Mirwaiz emphatically rejected the idea that the high turnout was a “vote against Azadi”. “Even the people who have voted, clearly distinguished between Azadi and electoral process... It is not a vote against Azadi or for India. It is a vote for the (resolution of) people’s day to day problems.”

Apart from the claims of Indian Government and separatist leaders, ground reality in Kashmir is that the general public is tired of unending cycle of violence, curfews and lack of basic amenities and being sandwiched by the militants on one hand and Indian military on the other. They do not only face humiliation by the Indian army and violation of human rights, they also face violence of the militants and crimes like having their houses trespassed and being asked, at gun point to feed the trespassers claiming to be “mujahidin”.. Added with this is the uncertain political situation in Pakistan with which majority of Kashmiris has been dreaming to go with since 1947. In this scenario it will now depend on how effectively the new Government of J&K is able to articulate the grievances of Kashmiris and on whether the Indian Government takes advantage of the changed public mood and give them the autonomy, pro-India groups have been demanding.

7 posted on 02/04/2009 9:11:49 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: indcons

But but but wasn’t the World supposed to love us for electing the Messiah?

Pray for America, Our Troops and obama’s Guidance


8 posted on 02/04/2009 9:12:39 PM PST by bray (Honest Sarah vs Oblago)
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To: indcons

Jimmy Carter is going to die a happy man. He’ll know he looks damned good compared to this dangerous idi0t. And, the idi0t has only been in for ~ 2 weeks.


9 posted on 02/04/2009 9:12:57 PM PST by unkus
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To: indcons

“It’s possible that at this time there are elements, -perhaps in the administration who are harking back to the pre-2000 era.”

Incidentally, this was the crux of former VP Cheney’s criticism of Zero’s anti-terror policies.


10 posted on 02/04/2009 9:13:26 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: unkus

“Jimmy Carter is going to die a happy man.”

LOL - you might be on to something there.


11 posted on 02/04/2009 9:14:34 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: indcons

What India SHOULD tell Zero involves a rolling doughnut...


12 posted on 02/04/2009 9:16:29 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: indcons

Isn’t it just great that the world loves us again? /s


13 posted on 02/04/2009 9:17:21 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
So in just 2 weeks, Obama has had his peepee slapped by Great Britain, the EU, China, Russia, and now India.

"Barack Hussein Piñata"

Cheers!

14 posted on 02/04/2009 9:17:43 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: indcons

I have to watch my language. This idi0t is very dangerous

and is going to become the most hated man in America and

possibly the world. He is a disaster and I don’t know when

his supporters are realize that.


15 posted on 02/04/2009 9:19:33 PM PST by unkus
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To: bray

Check this quote out, Bray!

“’You kill a chicken to scare a monkey [Obama],’ Mr Mohan said at a recent seminar in New Delhi on US relations with South Asia. ‘We killed the chicken and the monkey got the message.’”

Contrast this message with what PM Singh told Pres. Bush during his last visit to the US - “the people of India love you, Mr. President. We’ll never forget how you reached out to us” [paraphrase]


16 posted on 02/04/2009 9:19:56 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: grey_whiskers

If he gets slapped around by France, his humiliation will be complete.

But, he’s got the support of Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Libya, and Kenya.


17 posted on 02/04/2009 9:21:52 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: bray
But but but wasn’t the World supposed to love us for electing the Messiah?

I'll guarantee the dictator's are....

18 posted on 02/04/2009 9:22:14 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: indcons
I can imagine The One roaming around the White House wondering how it could happen that the real world doesn't succomb to his brilliant oratory.

I can also see the rest of the world leaders laughing their butts off at how naive this bozo is.

19 posted on 02/04/2009 9:22:40 PM PST by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: bergmeid
Iran warns Obama, India warns Obama, China warns Obama, who’s next?

How about Europe warns 0bama?

20 posted on 02/04/2009 9:24:00 PM PST by zeebee
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To: indcons

Why the NSA’s backtracking doesn’t wash [Indian diplomat told Obama was ‘barking up the wrong tree’]

4 Feb., 2009

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2178380/posts

There are a few takers for the clarification issued by the Prime Minister’s Office on Wednesday regarding National Security Advisor M K Narayanan’s interview to the television channel CNN-IBN. The PMO said Narayanan’s quotes regarding US President Barack Obama and former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf were taken out of context.

But, the statements are on tape and are obviously undeniable. The ‘context’ is right there in the question and in his answer. Therefore, Narayanan’s backtracking seems to be the result of ‘pressure’ from the ministry of external affairs.

Narayanan statement about Obama had astonished the diplomatic community. The NSA had said that Obama was barking up the wrong tree by attempting to link Afghanistan and Kashmir.

“When you say someone is ‘barking up a wrong tree’ that amounts to telling him that you are a silly fellow. How can a senior Indian officer — that too the NSA — talk about the US President like this?” asked a former diplomat.

“There is something rotten about the governance of this administration,” Satish Chandra, former deputy national security advisor, told rediff.com.

“Matters of foreign policy should be left to the ministers in the MEA and career diplomats. Second why should such a top officer of the level of NSA speak to media in this fashion? J N Dixit and Brajesh Mishra, his predecessors, never spoke out of turn and never revealed more than necessary. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee is an astute and organised leader. There is no need to contradict him on such an important issue.”

Not only diplomats even a large section of senior Congressmen are aghast by Narayanan’s statements.

According to senior Congress leaders, Narayanan has the political backing of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh . After the Mumbai terror attacks , many Congressmen wanted Narayanan to own up the responsibility for the complete failure of physical security of the coastal borders. (Being NSA he supervises the intelligence set up and security matters).

But he remained untouched even as Home Minister Shivraj Patil had to leave in disgrace.

The Congress leaders insisted that party President Sonia Gandhi was also upset over the security issue and the failure of the office of the NSA, but these claims not be verified independently. However, after the Mumbai attack, Narayanan had to face a tough time.

However, Narayanan’s statements on foreign policy have always been resented by the MEA. Mukherjee while disagreeing with Narayanan categorically said that Pakistan government has not officially reverted back to India after receiving the dossier of on the Mumbai attacks. His statement was a snub to Narayanan who told CNN-IBN in the controversial interview that Pakistan reverted back asking “a number of questions.”

Narayanan’s statement, Mukherjee’s snub to him and Narayanan’s backtracking has harmed India’s image, says Chandra.

“The Indian State is not able to present a coherent picture on the Mumbai attacks. The Pakistanis will look for differences and exploit it. When people in high positions are not on the same page on such an important issues it doesn’t reflect well on the government or the country.”

Chandra regrets that in case of Narayanan these kinds of statements keep coming from him. “It does not help him or the government. The confusion shows India in poor light and proves that government is not able to put its act together on the post-Mumbai attack strategy. If government is in control of things such things will never happen.”


21 posted on 02/04/2009 9:24:41 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: indcons

They called King Hussain a Monkey?? That is hysterical and not very PC.

Everyone forgets that India and Paki were at nuclear war when GW came in office and a year later were letting us use their air space for bombing runs on Trashcanistan. Who’s the Chimp now?

Pray for W and Our Troops


22 posted on 02/04/2009 9:26:33 PM PST by bray (Honest Sarah vs Oblago)
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To: indcons
Not even 2 weeks in office

Is it too early to impeach?

23 posted on 02/04/2009 9:26:39 PM PST by BAW (Social Security needs a bailout.)
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To: indcons

Memo to Obambi: STFU

Signed,

India


24 posted on 02/04/2009 9:27:48 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: Redbob
What India SHOULD tell Zero involves a rolling doughnut...

Would that be similar to him taking an aerially motive romantic interlude with an axially rotating toroidally shaped pastry?

25 posted on 02/04/2009 9:28:32 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: indcons
US president was in danger of dredging up outdated Clinton-era strategies. ...."It's possible that at this time there are elements, - perhaps in the administration who are harking back to the pre-2000 era."

Understandable, considering this administration is almost exclusively composed of Clinton admin. retreads.

26 posted on 02/04/2009 9:28:51 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: indcons

Check this quote out, Bray!

“’You kill a chicken to scare a monkey [Obama],’ Mr Mohan said at a recent seminar in New Delhi on US relations with South Asia. ‘We killed the chicken and the monkey got the message.’”

Contrast this message with what PM Singh told Pres. Bush during his last visit to the US - “the people of India love you, Mr. President. We’ll never forget how you reached out to us” [paraphrase]

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. We are so screwed.


27 posted on 02/04/2009 9:29:51 PM PST by mojitojoe
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To: indcons

I wonder if the comedians who can’t find anything funny about Odumbo are having an easier time now?


28 posted on 02/04/2009 9:33:50 PM PST by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: little jeremiah; Indian_Fighter_Kite; Knitting A Conundrum; Hari prasad; MimirsWell; ...

Kurukshetra War - Kali Yuga ping...

To be added to or removed from this ping list, please FReepmail Sir Francis Dashwood.

29 posted on 02/04/2009 9:35:45 PM PST by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: indcons

This is turning into the Bammy Ocarter administration.

It’s 1977 all over again.

(For those of you who didn’t experience the fun the first time.)


30 posted on 02/04/2009 9:38:00 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“So in just 2 weeks, Obama has had his peepee slapped by Great Britain, the EU, China, Russia, and now India.”

Didn’t he tick off Canada too?


31 posted on 02/04/2009 9:38:40 PM PST by angelsonmyside
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To: indcons

Laughs.

Well at least the world isn’t afraid of us being aggressive. :D


32 posted on 02/04/2009 9:38:47 PM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: indcons

How hard is it for an American to imigrate to India? Just making back-up plans here....lol


33 posted on 02/04/2009 9:49:12 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: indcons
Is this debacle being caused by Obama's inexperience or his love for muslims of all shades/stripes?>>>>>>>>>

Love for Muslims.

India knows it, the Mossad has breifed ALL its allies on Obamas pre election conversations and contact with his Islamofascit buddies, as well as the fund raising connections.

Obamja is sick. He will try and land a US MArine force in the Kashmire to support the Muslims, give them highly restrictive Rules of Engagement, little ammo, no tanks, and get thousands of them killed for nothing.Thats military intervention the "liberal" way.

34 posted on 02/04/2009 9:51:53 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: indcons
What Country isn't warning Obambi about something or other?
35 posted on 02/04/2009 10:08:14 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: bray

India was pretty much the only country in the World where President Bush was more popular than he was in America!

He had a 70% approval rating there.


37 posted on 02/04/2009 10:50:51 PM PST by ketelone
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To: indcons

STFOO Kashmir, Obama!


38 posted on 02/04/2009 11:02:09 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong il outlasted George W. Bush...And with a bunch more nukes to boot. Some "legacy", eh?)
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To: indcons

Wow. He actually did say ‘barking up the wrong tree’.

Good stuff. The dem theory of roll-over-and-play-dead foreign policy is being debunked on the international stage.

The Pinata’s first month is right on track.


39 posted on 02/05/2009 1:14:06 AM PST by CowboyJay (Don't tread on me)
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To: grey_whiskers
"Barack Hussein Piñata"

I like it.
40 posted on 02/05/2009 1:14:52 AM PST by CowboyJay (Don't tread on me)
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To: indcons
Obama's risking putting US on the side of the terrorists in this one.

KASHMIR: Paradise turned into Hell

42 posted on 02/05/2009 1:50:35 AM PST by XR7
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Appeal

The armed subversion by Muslim fundamentalist/terrorist youth to destroy the pluralistic, secular socio-political character of Kashmir valley and reduce it to a reactionary, monolithic, theocratic one, has entered its seventh year of operation. The grand design of this separatist insurgency is aimed at snapping all historical, economic, cultural, and political links of Kashmir valley with India and annexing it with Pakistan which is encouraging it overtly and covertly and lending moral, financial, political, diplomatic and military support. The first objective of this diabolical plan i.e. hounding out the Kashmiri Pandit (Hindu) ethnic minority from the Kashmir valley is being pursued with fanatic zeal.


43 posted on 02/05/2009 2:00:42 AM PST by XR7
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To: Dajjal

ping.


44 posted on 02/05/2009 2:01:03 AM PST by XR7
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To: bray
""You kill a chicken to scare a monkey," Mr Mohan said at a recent seminar in New Delhi on US relations with south Asia."

"Say what?" said one Obama supporter. Said the other Obama suporter, "He said you have to choke your chicken and spank your monkey."

45 posted on 02/05/2009 2:58:31 AM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: indcons

Isn’t it clear? bo wants to destabalize Pakistan so his Terrorist Pals can get their hands on the Nuclear Weapons.

http://defendourfreedoms.us/


46 posted on 02/05/2009 4:51:06 AM PST by FreeManN (DefendOurFreedoms.US)
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To: zeebee

When is the last time the Indian government spoke to an American president like that? He needs to step back and evaluate why.

He’s pushy, and trying to push HIS agenda on other world governments. He’s overstepping his boundries, badly.
And it seems like he’s rushing and in a hurry. Don’t you think?


47 posted on 02/05/2009 5:26:34 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Enterprise

Lol, that’s pretty funny. But, I am still scratching my head on that chicken/monkey statement.


48 posted on 02/05/2009 5:27:55 AM PST by HollyB
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To: HollyB

The Indian diplomat who made the comment is already facing flak for it, in India.


49 posted on 02/05/2009 6:55:48 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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it seems like he’s rushing and in a hurry. Don’t you think?

Yes. It seems he cannot deal with the pressure from his commie friends demanding payback.

How is he going to deal with a real problem?

50 posted on 02/05/2009 7:08:48 AM PST by zeebee
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