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To: Non-Sequitur
For the umpteenth time, I've never once said that a state cannot secede. They cannot secede unilaterally, and I've quoted the parts of the Constitution that I used to reach that conclusion, Supreme Court cases that back me up, and writings from James Madison which support it.

For the umpteenth time, show me the text of the constitution that says a state cannot secede. Why can't you? The text you cite does not say a state cannot secede and it does not imply it either. You have not cited any court cases before the war which say a state cannot secede either.

But since nobody tried secession before the South rebelled then it stands to reason that no court could have ruled on it before the Chase court did in 1869.

That was after the fact victor's justice. Chase was a Lincoln cabinet member. BTW that same Chase court also ruled in another case that it had jurisdiction over persons and property but not over political rights.

And the decisions I did quote support the concept of implied powers.

But not a requirement for Congress to approve secession. You're just making that up.

384 posted on 02/09/2009 5:22:52 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
For the umpteenth time, show me the text of the constitution that says a state cannot secede.

And for the umpteenth and first time, no such restriction exists. I cannot put it any more plainly than that.

The text you cite does not say a state cannot secede and it does not imply it either. You have not cited any court cases before the war which say a state cannot secede either.

Because no state had tried it before. And for those unclear on the workings of the judiciary, courts deal with things that have happened, not theoretical issues of what might happen. If the courts had not dealt with secession in any form it's because no state had attempted it. And once a state did try it the courts ruled that while secession was not illegal, but secession without the consent of the other states is. So not it's your turn to jump in with the same old tired complaint of a biased Supreme Court. Go ahead, it won't be anything I haven't seen before.

That was after the fact victor's justice. Chase was a Lincoln cabinet member. BTW that same Chase court also ruled in another case that it had jurisdiction over persons and property but not over political rights.

I spoke too soon, you went right ahead with that very complaint. I should have read ahead first.

But not a requirement for Congress to approve secession. You're just making that up.

Not hardly. You're making up the legal justification for stealing Sumter, but my opinions are based on the opinions of others, like John Marshall and James Madison, who would know.

388 posted on 02/10/2009 4:46:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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