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To: Para-Ord.45
Lincoln was a white supremicist...

And since Jefferson Davis and Robert Lee and Thomas Jackson were also white supremecists then I suppose you have a healthy hatred for them as well? Or just Lincoln?

and a tyrant who ignored the right to secession...

No such right to secede unilaterally exists.

...ignored the 10nth Amendment...

On the contrary, Lincoln was well aware of the 10th Amendment. Especially the powers denied to the states by the Constitution part.

...ignored habeas corpus...

Article I gives the government the power to suspend habeas corpus in times of rebellion.

...committed war crimes by sacking and burning whole southern cities...

Complete and utter nonsense.

...ans used the emancipation as nothing more than a war gambit.

Finally something we can agree on. And it was a very successful war gambit, wasn't it?

Once again, Lincoln signed the proclamation as nothing more than war propaganda.

No you were right the first time - war gambit. It denied the South the assistance of all that slave labor. In that it was very successful.

41 posted on 02/07/2009 9:37:37 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
No you were right the first time - war gambit. It denied the South the assistance of all that slave labor. In that it was very successful.

I don't think it had much effect in that respect. There were no slave revolts during the war for example. What the EP did achieve was to close off the possibility of direct assistance for the Confederacy from Britain or France.

48 posted on 02/07/2009 9:49:49 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Non-Sequitur

>>>Article I gives the government the power to suspend habeas corpus in times of rebellion.<<<

Article I gives the congress the power to suspend habeas corpus, not the executive. Lincoln usurped power from the congress, which is tyranny.


49 posted on 02/07/2009 9:52:52 AM PST by PhilipFreneau (Make the world a safer place: throw a leftist reporter under a train.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“And since Jefferson Davis and Robert Lee and Thomas Jackson were also white supremecists.”

Oh you are so full of sh!t, and you know it. Lee was opposed to slavery, and in fact freed his wife’s slaves. Jackson started a Sunday School for black kids, on his own dime (and he had very little money himself), and received the wrath of some folks who WERE white supremacists. You know who was a white supremacist? Your god, Abe Lincoln. Read his comments about the natural inferiority of blacks to whites. But, I assume you already know that, given that you always show up on these threads as the self-anointed resident “Lincoln scholar.”


275 posted on 02/07/2009 6:56:39 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“On the contrary, Lincoln was well aware of the 10th Amendment. Especially the powers denied to the states by the Constitution part.”

And where, pray, does the Constitution deny the right of secession? As for the 10th Amendment, it clarifies the Founders intent that the individual states did not surrender their respective sovereignty, as the amendment clearly states that those powers not delegated to the FEDERAL government by the states and the people are retained by the states and the people.


276 posted on 02/07/2009 7:01:15 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The Emancipation Proclamation was a very successful war gambit? Funny, I don’t recall the millions of slaves “freed” by the EC leaving their work stations and rebelling against their owners or voluntarily joining Yankee armies. On the contrary, many were shanghaied by Yankee forces and pressed into service.


278 posted on 02/07/2009 7:04:58 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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