Happiness or misery? Will the stimulus plan lead to the end of prosperity...of America?

World ^ | 2/11/09 | Cal Thomas

[XR7]

This is a nightmare from which we'll never escape.

Nor will our children.

[Cindy]

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[Cindy]

[Cindy]

SNIPPET from the link in post no.1:

"Rector says that the House and Senate bills “use the idea of economic stimulus as a Trojan horse to conceal massive, permanent increases in the U.S. welfare system. The goal of the bills is ‘spreading the wealth,’ not reviving the economy.”

[XR7]

Huh?

[Arthur McGowan]

This is not just a radical change in economic policy.

This is a full-fledged revolution against the United States.

And I don’t think Soetoro’s goal is merely to see the U.S. radically changed. I think his goal is to turn the current territory of the U.S. into a “region” that is governed either by the E.U. machinery, or by a trans-national totalitarian government that has yet to be formally set up.

The Republicans are still thinking of how to trim another $2 Billion from the final version of the Porkulus Bill.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Don’t they understand that a socialist economy means the end of prosperity, individual initiative, personal dreams, and a complete transformation of America, as we have known it?

In a word, no.

[Cindy]

“Huh?”

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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/pelosiporkpackage/index

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QUOTE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2182823/posts

Congressman Frank Lucas: The Myth of Government-Created Wealth
The Hill ^ | February 10, 2009 | Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK)
Posted on February 10, 2009 5:38:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Last month, the House of Representatives passed the “Pelosi Pork Package,” a massive spending bill disguised as a stimulus plan. I joined every one of my Republican colleagues and 11 of my Democrat colleagues and voted against this obscene bill, standing up for the American taxpayer and our future generations.

The total cost of this spending bill is a whopping $820 billion. However, this country already has a $10.6 trillion deficit, so we must borrow this money. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that we will have to pay an additional $347 billion in interest, racking up the total cost of this bill to more than $1.1 trillion. With this one vote, if it is passed by the Senate, Speaker Pelosi and her leadership team will have increased the national deficit by almost 10 percent.

I am not opposed to an actual stimulus bill; in fact I voted for the first stimulus package. But the spirit of a stimulus bill is to stimulate the economy as quickly as possible through one-time activities. Instead, Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team used Americans’ desire for economic assistance and President Obama’s popularity to pass a bill filled with long-termed spending projects that would have little to no immediate impact on the economy.

Some of the projects that will supposedly stimulate the economy in the Speaker’s bill: $600 million to purchase new cars for government workers, $25 million to rehabilitate off-roading trails for all-terrain vehicles (ATVs), $34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce headquarters, and $400 million for climate change research. All told, the plan establishes at least 32 new government programs at a cost of over $136 billion. That means more than a third of this plan’s spending provisions are dedicated to creating new government programs. I am not quite sure how the Speaker feels this will stimulate the economy, but I do know this is not sound economic policy.

Government does not create wealth. It simply takes money from one person’s pocket and puts it in another’s. Speaker Pelosi would do well to remember that in the future, before she burdens our children and grandchildren with trillions more dollars of debt.

[bruinbirdman]

"Notice that in none of the apocalyptic rhetoric from the president and congressional leaders do we hear anything about the power of people to overcome the recession and restore the economy to health."

Notice that "HOPE" is conspicuously absent in all Odoom's rehetoric since his inauguration.

yitbos

[Cindy]

Yep, I have noticed the hope changed to crisis even before he got into office.

However, I still believe in America and the strength of real Americans.

[This_far]

“Notice that “HOPE” is conspicuously absent in all Odoom’s rehetoric since his inauguration.”

This rookie worries me more than Carter.

[REPANDPROUDOFIT]

However, I still believe in America and the strength of real Americans.

It is just a matter of time till the working minority get tired of paying the taxes and doing the work. More and more people will just quit working. The tax burden will increase on the ones who do work and more people will quit!

They have destroyed the American Dream! Once people believed that through hard work and scrupulous spending a person could live a comfortable life. Now - why work and spend scrupulously? The guy that is working will take care of your part for you.

[Cindy]

“They have destroyed the American Dream!”

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My family and I don’t depend on anyone and we pay cash for all big purchases.

If we do use a credit card; we pay it off each month.

No socialist/communist aka Democrat will ever destroy my dream.
Life may not be as exciting as before, but we’ll get by.

I’m not unique; I’m the common American using the common sense God
gave me.

[Cindy]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2136635/posts
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[REPANDPROUDOFIT]

Don’t you think we reach a point where more people are on the dole than are working? The tax burden will collapse the system.

[Cindy]

“Don’t you think we reach a point where more people are on the dole than are working?”

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OPINION:

I think there are some states now that seem to be trying for that goal of being on the dole.

Logically speaking, a welfare/socialist state would collapse our
economy.

As a nation, we aren’t there yet.

[livius]

I think it’s to turn the US into a dictatorship ruled by him. He’s crazy, and I don’t think even the Dems or whoever the powers are who are running him (because he certainly didn’t get where he did on his own - he’s vicious enough but not smart enough) have quite come to grips with this.

Naturally, Barry’s country would be part of something, probably some alliance of Muslim or possibly even African countries (the race card is going to come out big pretty soon), but basically it’s going to be all his.

He wasn’t freaked out by all those people in Ft Myers yesterday, screaming “thank you, God,” when they saw him, and then tearfully begging him for things. He ate it up.

[livius]

I’m unnerved by the tone of this article because Cal Thomas has a long, respectable track record of commentary and I have never seen him say anything like this. He’s right, we don’t have much time.

[ScubieNuc]

"Notice that in none of the apocalyptic rhetoric from the president and congressional leaders do we hear anything about the power of people to overcome the recession and restore the economy to health."

Reminds me of these verses:

Rev 6:5,6
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

The commentary I read on the meaning of verse 6 is that it would cost about a days wage to buy the ingredients for bread. Combine that with the language of the 'balances', its reads like a World wide economic collapse.

[LaineyDee]

The verse which has come to me regarding our nation is....."Be not deceived, God is not mocked" Galatians 6:7.

Barry S has thrown down the gauntlet.......and will try to strip this nation of its God-given rights. He has not only started a war with "We The People".... but the One Himself..... who gave this country to our forefathers.

Barry is definitely "out of his pay range" on this.