Posted on 02/11/2009 11:57:25 AM PST by mnehring
Seems pretty accurate to me.
OK.
Illustrated, for example, by the tale of Sandra Suter:
http://billstclair.com/DoingFreedom/000623/df.0600.nca.gunstore.html
I am no longer willing to put up with local police shenanigans in order to prepare for, repel, or deal with the aftermath of a terrorist attack.
I would almost rather have the terrorist attack.
Are we in heated agreement?
That may very well be the way it is on your planet, but here........exactly the opposite.
It COULD make sense logically, but that had no meaning contextually; but either way, we resolved the communication.
Violently so, probably.
I particularly liked this passage:
” ‘That scared the c-— out of me, that someone could have a gun in the store,’ said Smith of Hernando Beach. ‘This one lady was in there with her children and when she saw (the gun) she was like, “Get on the ground! Get on the ground!” If I was there with my kids, I would have had a heart attack.’ “
Frightened at the sight of a responsible fellow citizen—a five-foot-three grandmother—using a legally licensed handgun to stop a crime without even firing a shot.
Think about that. Would the ladies have been frightened if uniformed policemen had shown up and brandished guns in the process of arresting three-time loser Willie Redding? Of course not—even though, statistically, police officers accidentally shoot the wrong person in far more cases than do citizens with legally issued concealed-carry permits.”
Please look at the picture below; to my knowledge, this is the only time an armored troop carrier 'toy' belonging to civilian police was deployed in a real "situation". Obviously responding to a terrorist incident, right?
Or was there something else going on here?
Anyone recall?
Roger.
ALSO OF INTEREST ON THAT PAGE IS THE FOLLOWING:
My eleventh question in that May 31 essay was: “If police serve a search warrant which does not list any firearms, but they find firearms in the house being searched, is it OK for them to seize the firearms anyway? Why or why not?”
Self-styled conservative candidate Mr. Davis replied:
“Are they legal weapons? During the search, were any arrests made?”
I wrote back:
Mike—given the need to deflect attention from an illegal search, police can always find something to arrest someone for, even if it’s as gossamer thin a fall-back as “child neglect,” “resisting arrest,” or overdue library books.
The Fourth Amendment says our right to be secure in our houses, papers, and effects “shall not be violated,” and that the only warrants which shall be valid are those which “particularly describe the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
It’s now routine for cops to acquire a one-size-fits-all drug warrant, break into a home with a battering ram, find few or no drugs, but seize all the firearms found there. (As a matter of fact, if they find no drugs, they’re all the more likely to make a point of seizing the weapons, to justify their raid retroactively and put the victim on the defensive. See Waco, where the BATF only got federal military equipment by claiming David Koresh had a “suspected methamphetamine lab” in his church.)
Actually, it's "agent" - singular.
He recently got a gig doing rifle endorsements for H-S Precision.
My recollection is that the neighbors didn't like him wandering around on his own property in his underwear.
>> That looks like the neighbor disagreement in McIntosh, NM where the perpetrator wound up disabling the entire Torrance County police vehicle force with .30-06 sniper fire before they called in a D-9 Cat and smashed his mobile home flat with him in it.
No, but we’ll use your example; it’s more fun and way less controversial.
The point is, give the police the toys and they WILL use them... or abuse them, as the case may be. Doesn’t have anything to do with counter-terrorism.
>>Were the agents that murdered his wife held accountable?
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>Actually, it’s “agent” - singular.
You’re right... the “agents”, plural, were the ones caught and shot trespassing.
>He recently got a gig doing rifle endorsements for H-S Precision.
Disgusting.
From what I've heard about Gary, Indiana, that probably isn't an unreasonable request.
>My recollection is that the neighbors didn’t like him wandering around on his own property in his underwear.
Yeah, we can’t have people strolling about on their own properties OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE in their underpants!!
{Actually I’m not sure that WAS the middle of nowhere, but given the surface area and population densities of the state, it probably was.}
>>We are still at great risk of more terrorists attacks and the local police will be the first to jump
>>in the line of fire.
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>I am no longer willing to put up with local police shenanigans in order to prepare for, repel,
>or deal with the aftermath of a terrorist attack.
>
>I would almost rather have the terrorist attack.
Honestly, in Iraq I felt more malevolence from my Chain of Command than the detainees that we were guarding; the experience shattered my optimism “Things will get better”, my faith in some sort of justice (yeah, E7s, E8s, E9s wandering about with nothing better than to yell at people for wearing their IBA over their fleece! OMG! If you put things on in the wrong order the terrorists win!), and also the idea that there is a “rule of law”.
The idea behind a “rule of law” is simple; the law applies the same for everyone, and the law is simple enough that everyone can understand it. No exceptions.
The politics there, as well as the current politics, show that this is not the case. Mr. Obama and his cabinet are exempt from their taxes, obviously. And the House and Senate, yeah, they get punished for the same laws we break, right?
Peace is not the absence of war, but the presence of Justice. Also, if you want peace, [then] prepare for war.
Therefore, if you want Justice, prepare for war.
CUT these police Rambo-wannabes OFF!!!!
The way things are going, the OLDEST profession will soon be the NOBELEST!
It said.
Be a HERO, join the Roswell Police Department
So now we are recruiting heroes, instead of public servants.......the mind set is 180 degrees apart. Heroes are humble men, want to be heroes are just damn dangerous.
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