Fine. Show me the word secession.
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A clear reading of Article I, Section 10 and Article IV, Section 3 shows that the power to admit a state and to approve any change in its status once it was allowed to join are clearly powers reserved to the United States.
T admit a State, yes. To create a State, no. The territory organized as a State, and Congress says we recognize your statehood, and admit you to the Union.
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By implication this would include the power to approve a state's leaving as well.
No, by insinuation it would, but we're not taking about implication, we're talking about the original intent of the Constitution.
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When the spinning stops, the Orwellian arguement lies in your court.
Believe as you wish.
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But for those states created out of territory purchased or acquired by the government through other means then the federal government owned a great deal. And in many states they still do.
That sort of thing happens when you have a consolidation of government's powers.
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It was his threat to the expansion of slavery that caused their anger and which led to their decision to rebel.
That's right...it's called exercise of an unconstitutional authority, and one Lincoln supported wholeheartedly.
Since the Constitution is not a suicide pact, the South decided to leave. Better a chance at survival than none at all.
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Well, we agree on that at least.
LOL! It's nice to find some common ground. I enjoy our discourses immensely.
Secession.
T admit a State, yes. To create a State, no. The territory organized as a State...
Organized as a territory by Congress.
...and Congress says we recognize your statehood, and admit you to the Union.
No. Congress is the deciding factor, not the people of the territory. They can petition for years, as Colorado did, and not be admitted. They can approve Constitution after Constitution and not be admitted, as Kansas did. Unless Congress decides to admit them, in effect create the state to begin with, then the territory remains the territory.
No, by insinuation it would, but we're not taking about implication, we're talking about the original intent of the Constitution.
The original intent is clearly to give Congress the power to create states and approve changes in their status.
Believe as you wish.
Just following your arguements.
That sort of thing happens when you have a consolidation of government's powers.
Or when you have the government acquiring foreign territory to begin with.
That's right...it's called exercise of an unconstitutional authority, and one Lincoln supported wholeheartedly.
No it's called challenging a badly flawed decision and using the legal system to return powers to Congress reserved to it by the Constitution in the first place.
Since the Constitution is not a suicide pact, the South decided to leave. Better a chance at survival than none at all.
The suicidal act on the South's part was deciding on war to further their aims.