Posted on 02/11/2009 8:40:34 PM PST by Steelfish
H-1B curbs not for Indian IT cos: Infy
11 Feb, 2009
NEW DELHI: Software exporter Infosys which has sizeable onsite employee base in the US said the latest amendment to the H-1B visa rules for the
country will not be applicable to it.
"We believe the amendments are restricted to the US companies which receive funding under TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Programme) and is not applicable to companies like us. Having said that we have to wait for the law to be passed.
(Excerpt) Read more at infotech.indiatimes.com ...
The Indians are probably right on the technical applicability of that particular bill. It’s mostly the companies hiring slaves from Mexico and the like, that are getting the enormous amounts of federal welfare.
Of course we need to protect the jobs of incompetent Wall St. monkeys while selling out the rest of White and Blue Collar America.
Something must be done to return America’s demographics back to what it was in the ‘50s.
Deport all varieties of immigrants suitably?
The tech Industry is completely saturated with h1bs though there are lots of totally qualified yet unemployed American engineers ... Including me ... Time for the h1bs to go home
Indians come here legally as programmers and constitute a small percent of the population. The opposition to their jobs comes from the far left - Ralph Nader, Denis Kucinich and now Obama. This is a red herring intended to distract us from the real immigration threat which happens to be from illegals crossing over from Mexico. The left does not want to oppose illegals but wants to pretend as though they are doing something about immigration. So they raise the bogey of H1-Bs once in a while.
Just leave the Catholic (legal) immigrants alone.
This is FreeRepublic.com, not AryanNation.com.
I know. I was being sarcastic.
It’s funny that you talk about liberal opposition to the H1B program (though I’m not entirely certain President Obama opposes the H1B program). Kucinich opposes legal H1B immigration, but he supports illegal immigration amnesty. According to leftist Democrats, the only way you can come to America is by swimming across the river, trekking through the desert, and shooting at the border patrol.
The Democratic Party - the Party of thuggery and illegality.
Sorry I didn’t catch the sarcasm :)
:^)
Aaah but a Republic founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
Many conservatives are against the H1-B....there are many Americans capable of doing the work...but are losing their jobs to non-market wage Indians
If there was a true free-market demand for Indian labor they would be paid the same, or more, than the Americans.
H1-Bs are for liberals in both parties...more of that Economic Anti-Americanism
What exactly is a non market wage? The lowest bidder settles with the highest asker. It’s called supply and demand.
What I see is resentment and a victim attitude on behalf on those that have been laid off, are without work, or think they are underemployed. They want someone to blame, be it white people in management, Indians, Wall Street, rich Republicans, the Jews ...
I have no position on the limit for H1-Bs and I’m not advocating that we increase, or even keep it at the same level, right now. I also agree that those on H1-Bs who have been laid off should go home.
However, the tenor in the H1-B/immigration discussion is what strikes me.
It’s one thing to oppose immigration because immigrants are coming here illegally and are mooching off of our public services (the Bill O’Reilly types). It’s another thing to complain about foreigners taking your job because you’re just not that good at it but you need someone to blame for your lot in life (the Lou Dobbs types).
The Bill O’Reilly types make a good argument. The Lou Dobbs types, ironically, feed into the amnesty crowd by making it seem that illegal immigrants do a better job than lazy Americans.
Actually....in a true free market....if there was a real demand for Indian labor...they would be paid equal to or above what Americans make.
There are plenty of Americans willing to work...so the supply is there....more than meets the demand. The only reason the Indians are brought in is to reduce wages, non-market....the demand is for their low pay...not for their services
Dobbs understands this “free market” when it comes to labor..since there is no market demand for Indian labor....the supply of Americans is there. Of course, the low wage Indians mean that there is fewer $$$ for retail, services, government revenue (the last one forces tax increases on Americans)
The real racism is from the Economic Anti-Americans who think its great because “we can pay them dark skinned Indians less than Americans”. Coolie labor...21st Century style
American jobs for American. Stop the H1B mass migration and deport those laid-off who don't go back. Call your Congress-member and demand that H1B visas be eliminated.In theory the H1B visa is awesome. We had an absolutely incredible engineer, he just knocked our socks off, who lived in Europe. We tried to bring him over(at well over $100k) but all the Indian companies had sucked up the visas for the *potential* to "insource" a bunch of $35k cube rats.
Getting rid of H1B is stupid, it kills our competitiveness and ability to attract top talent. However, we *must* fix the program to keep it from being exploited like it is today.
Something must be done to return America’s demographics back to what it was in the ‘50s.America's problems are not demographic. They're cultural. The route you're begging for is the surest way to lead to a Japan style stagnation and population implosion. Relatively well off middle class people don't breed, nor are they hungry.Deport all varieties of immigrants suitably?
America has been infected by a culture of laziness and greed. Part of it comes from Leftist weakness and whininess and part of it comes from "Greed is good" Reagonomics.
Both the left and right have lost their way in America. There have been attempts to come up with work arounds for current American sense of entitlement and cultural collapse(like the communitarians) but so far every decent solution has withered on the vine.
What exactly is a non market wage? The lowest bidder settles with the highest asker. It’s called supply and demand.Not in the case of H1B's. It's more like a form of indentured servitude. If you google a little bit you'll find everything you need.
Companies abuse the system like this:
They come up with a job description intentionally mangled so that no Americans can apply for the job(i.e. 5 years experience for a technology that has only existed for 3 years).
They advertise the position in the states and give some courtesy interviews, coming up with excuses not to hire an American.
Then they hire a guy from India/China who costs them >20k less than an equivalent American for the same job and they have complete control over the poor sap(Don't like working 80 hour weeks? Ooops then we can fire you and send your butt home, hope you like going back to $10,000 a year).
If we really cared about the H1B system we'd do two things:
First, we'd have some sort of independent metric for job postings(i.e. you need a Foo programmer? he should be able to do X,Y,Z. I'd imagine it'd be something similar to the way we certify regular engineers). You'd also need some form of independent metric of how many available engineers of that type you had available. That way you really could be sure that *if there were qualified Americans available* you could hire them.
Second, make the H1B not tied to employment status. If a foreign worker(now presumably better qualified than the current bunch) came over and doesn't like his job he should be able to quit and find another one(which presumably would be easy, a true H1B should be a star). Which would get rid of the indentured servitude aspect.
Of course employers would never go for it. They'd prefer cheap slaves that don't talk back even if they're less talented.
I have no problem if true talent is brought in from overseas.....but if it truly is “talent” they should be compensated like an American would be.
The sports world seems to have no problem with compensating foreign talent equal to what an American would make.....no sport would pay, say, Steve Nash less because he was a Canadian...or Yao Ming less because he was Chinese. They are paid based on their talent....not to undercut American players
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