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To: GodGunsGuts
PS Your fuss over mrjesse’s questions prompted me to carefully read the same. I have no idea what prompted his questions, but they do seem straightforward enough. Why won’t you answer them? If you don’t know the answer, why not just plead ignorance and ask mrjesse to answer them for you?

I have answered the questions many times. This topic started over 6 months ago and is now several hundred posts long. Mrjesse follows from thread to thread and I have grown bored with it and told him so.

80 posted on 02/16/2009 6:16:18 AM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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Said LeGrande to GGG:I have answered the questions many times. This topic started over 6 months ago and is now several hundred posts long. Mrjesse follows from thread to thread and I have grown bored with it and told him so.

GGG, LeGrande has many times claimed that he has answered my questions, but has never pointed out just where. And I don't remember him answering them. What he has done is skirted around the issue by responding either by asking me a question or answering questions that I didn't even ask. When he says that he has answered my questions (which are now color coded), he's either lying or redefining "answer" to mean "Provided enough info that MrJesse can answer them for himself." He hasn't actually answered them himself. If he had, he could just show us all the URL where he answered them and show me the liar that he has so many times called me (for which he has never even once provided evidence).

As a matter of fact, at one time (Search for "searching pleasure" without the quotes) I even gave LeGrande (and everybody) a copy of ALL of my posts and pings up to that day so he could easily search through everything I'd ever said and everything he'd ever said to me -- all in one long document (rather then having to page through by clicking the "next" link) - and he still has never showed me where he answered my questions.

And as I explained that if LeGrande had indeed answered my questions and he's afraid I'll forget, he can just save the URL of where he answered them, and put it into notepad, and whenever I claim he hasn't answered my questions, all he'd have to do was copy and paste the URL and show everyone that he had indeed answered!

And even if he really had answered them, is it so much to ask him to answer them once more so he can save the URL? Then, after that, we could all see that he answered.

But in actuality, he is refusing (and has been for months) to answer the questions because, well, the only thing I can figure is that he knows his answers to the questions would either contradict his previous claims, or would demonstrate his view and previous claims to be completely wrong scientifically.

And the reason I keep bringing this subject up is because he keeps going from thread to thread posting scientifically incoherent claims - some of which he knows are false - and it sure looks to me like he's trying to deceive people, otherwise he'd be honest.

So I can see that LeGrande loves to tell people that they are liars and yet refuses in my case to provide a single case in point of where I've lied. And he loves to say that he answered my questions, and yet refuses to provide a case in point - the only conclusion I can come to is that he's lying and he knows it. What else conclusion can I come to considering the circumstances?

And this is all important because the problem of atheistic evolutionary "scientists" proclaiming and defending lies does not happen just on FR - it happens in the classroom as well! And I have found that atheistic evolutionists who disagree with LeGrande's claims still won't openly challenge LeGrande's lack of integrity. So I can only logically conclude that this is what goes on in university classrooms across this country - and the students are being lied to and the teachers know it and nobody says anything!

This is why it is important to pursue coherency and the truth when an absurd claim is made by somebody who presents himself as knowledgeable in the field (like LeGrande does).

Basically, LeGrande's claim is that at that when you look at the sun, it's actually really not where it appears but 2.1 degrees ahead because the earth rotated 2.1 degrees in the 8.3 minutes it took sunlight to reach earth.

Obviously this theory goes to shambles when applied to Pluto or a 12-light-hour-away planet or a merry go around that turns 180 degrees in 8.3 minutes. And that is why LeGrande refuses to answer the color coded questions.
(Now if he was a geo-centrist, then his claims would fit with his worldview, because the sun actually would move 2.1 degrees in 8.3 minutes.. But he hasn't admitted to being a geocentrist either.)

Once we all know that LeGrande loves to call people liars when they haven't lied, and he says he answered a question that he didn't answer, we will all be better able to put in context his claims -- specifically that they aren't worth a lot.

I would have CC'd LeGrande to this, but he doesn't want me to post to him.

-Jesse

(Hi LeGrande, if you're reading this! ;-)
88 posted on 02/16/2009 8:21:02 PM PST by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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