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Are mutations part of the “engine” of evolution?
AiG ^ | February 13, 2009

Posted on 02/13/2009 8:34:41 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Are mutations part of the “engine” of evolution?

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Are mutations really the “key to our evolution”? Do mutations provide the fuel for the engine of evolution? In this chapter, we take a close look at mutations to see what they are and what they are not. When we understand genetics and the limits of biological change, we will see how science confirms what the Bible says, “God made the beasts of the earth after their kind” (Genesis 1:25)...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; mutations
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Holding my breath placemarker


61 posted on 02/13/2009 6:09:13 PM PST by js1138
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Why does it take so many twists and turns to solve a rubik’s cube?


62 posted on 02/13/2009 6:35:31 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
If that's the case, why did it take more than 30,000 generations for that frontloaded information to kick in?

Perhaps the 30,000th generation was the appropriate one for reasons no one will ever understand. Why did it take ga-jillions of years for single-celled organisms in swamps to eventually walk upright and so on, WITHOUT God, or direction or intelligent design?

And given that this information is already there, it seems that it would be a productive use of creation scientists' time to try and figure out where it's located. Furthermore, since they're so big on being able to predict stuff, maybe after they locate it they could look for some other new abilities the Creator frontloaded and devise experiments to see if they kick in or not.

Have there been peer reviewed experiments explaining evolutipon taking so long, or why these changes occur, without intelligence, at a certain point, say the 3000000000000th generation?

63 posted on 02/13/2009 7:19:52 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Looks harmful to me. If for nothing else, it will harm his chances in finding a mate.

Can you imagine, "Can I hold your hand"?

64 posted on 02/13/2009 7:21:04 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.; metmom
It is sad that your faith is so weak that you find solace in silly paradoxes. It is sad that you limit the scope of your faith to the equivalent of a scorecard. I suppose that there is room for folks of your perspective in Christianity, but I really don’t think that Jesus is too happy about it.

Sadder still is NEA liberals telling, no demanding that God be kept away from children when it comes to science class or education in general, or anything for that matter.

65 posted on 02/13/2009 7:24:07 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream
Every example of evolution need not provide evidence for (or “prove” to use your word) common descent to be an example of evolution.

Of course not. Evo-cultists never require their cult jump through all the endless hoops they create for anything whatsoever that challenges their cult.

66 posted on 02/13/2009 7:27:02 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

I don’t object to teaching religion in public schools at all: Christianity 101, Fundamentals of the Torah, The Way of Buddhism, all are fine. However, faith is not science, and should not be taught as an alternative to real scince in a real science class.


67 posted on 02/13/2009 7:28:56 PM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: tpanther

Come to think of it, it probably wouldn’t help his hitch-hiking chances either.


68 posted on 02/13/2009 7:30:30 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream; metmom
I have long maintained that if you look at the belief set of creationists they will almost invariably also believe in many other equally unsupportable beliefs (UFO’s, Geocentricism, HIV-AIDS denial, Jesus rode on a dinosaur, etc, etc).

Riiiiight, and meanwhile the evo-cultists demand that everyone pretend there's is the conservative position, WHILE their liberal slip shows when it comes to their sepration of church and state lunacy, algoreacle's hot air cult...(the debate is over!), defense of the indefensable NEA, string theory, multiverse theory, etc. etc. etc.

Liberal projecting hypocrats...wow, literally have no shame and with a complete straight face too I'd bet!

69 posted on 02/13/2009 7:33:11 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; metmom
It’s difficult to have an intelligent conversation with people who don’t even understand thermodynamics and entropy.

As opposed to everytime your precious cult is challenged you run screaming with your hair on fire "INQUISITION", "THEOCRACY"...???

70 posted on 02/13/2009 7:35:25 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Not unless you think TB is good for evolution. The vast majority of mutations are bad. Not enough to supply the mountains of transitional forms we would be stepping on if they existed. Evolution is a stupid theory. NEXT!


71 posted on 02/13/2009 7:35:54 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: tpanther
you run screaming with your hair on fire "INQUISITION", "THEOCRACY"...???

Do you understand thermodynamics and entropy?

72 posted on 02/13/2009 7:37:24 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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To: Force of Truth

Even the so-called “beneficial” loss of information mutations are bad in the long run because the organism is genetically poorer, and thus has less tools at its disposal the next time it is forced to adapt to environmental changes.


73 posted on 02/13/2009 7:38:45 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: js1138; metmom

You lose the argument automatically, because GGG has invoked UPPER CASE.

UPPER CASE always wins over mixed case.


Where does INQUISITION, BURNINGS AT THE STAKE and THEOCRACY fit in?


74 posted on 02/13/2009 7:43:11 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.
Neither true, verifiable, or even relevant. The remainder of your statement betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of natural selection, a process that is wholly consistent with belief in the Christian faith.

Classic evolutionist argument: Ad hominem packaged in circular reasoning.

75 posted on 02/13/2009 7:44:56 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
What about original sin? Do you believe that Christ defeated sin on the cross? If there was no Adam and Eve then where did sin come from?

Isn't it amazing how they run when confronted with hard quesions like this...how is it they decide whaqt to accepot and reject????...and you can hear their voices cracking and fading as they depart, mumbling something about YOU're not appealing to logic or some such.

76 posted on 02/13/2009 7:45:33 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.

Not at all—it is, in fact, my observation. I am a devout Christian who believes that the Bible is, in part, allegorical. Many (not all) of those who believe that it is literally true in full succumb to the need to cling to a silly set of constructions and coincidences called ID. That is a demonstration of lack of faith on their part. The fact that they demand “equal time” when real scientists call them on their folly just further distances them from their own faith.


So how is it that you decide which is allegorical and which is not?


77 posted on 02/13/2009 7:46:40 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Force of Truth; Buck W.

He is quite right, natural selection, which was originally discovered by a creationist, and has little to do with Darwin’s fanciful conception of the same, is quite compatible with Christianity.


78 posted on 02/13/2009 7:47:45 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: wow

The mere existance of creationists certainly confirms a belief that some men has not evolved from the apes -— at least by enought to merit any special consideration. And those that feel the need for the pseudo scientific babbling of “intelligent design” certainly reveal a profound weakness in faith. The most important question might be why an all powerful god capable only of perfection employs so many idiots as spokespersons?


Have you considered placing the word “just” before your current name wow?


79 posted on 02/13/2009 7:47:55 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Moonman62

Obviously due to a flaw in his “design,” God being perfect and all, and able to produce species on a whim.

I’m still waiting for God to produce a species out of thin air to settle the debate, yet we can witness living things reproduce by biological means every day.


How did you decide what is or isn’t a flaw in His design?

Have you had a species develop over time via Darwin “out of thin air” yet?

And why do you think “reproducing by biological means” has anything to do with either view?


80 posted on 02/13/2009 7:50:50 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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