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To: Buck W.; wow
“And those that feel the need for the pseudo scientific babbling of “intelligent design” certainly reveal a profound weakness in faith. “

That is a very insightful comment which reflects a position that I have held for some time. Adherents to creation science and ID seem to have a weaker Christian faith than those who believe that natural selection could be God’s way.


Both of these comments are asterisks footnoting ignorance of millennia of scientific, theological, and philosophical inquiry. But I'm sure uttering them gives you both a great feeling of superiority.
19 posted on 02/13/2009 9:54:23 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Not at all—it is, in fact, my observation. I am a devout Christian who believes that the Bible is, in part, allegorical. Many (not all) of those who believe that it is literally true in full succumb to the need to cling to a silly set of constructions and coincidences called ID. That is a demonstration of lack of faith on their part. The fact that they demand “equal time” when real scientists call them on their folly just further distances them from their own faith.


21 posted on 02/13/2009 10:39:46 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: aruanan

Any issues of superiority are not a matter of “feeling”, though those discomforted may find comfort in such delusion.

And as you imagine superiority derivative of some higher source of information, perhaps you might consider the possibility that God might speak to you directly and plainly over the internet. I make no such claim, but certainly, such a prospect is no less sensible than by means of a burning bush.

And certainly a God which created the heaven and earth and all his critters would not require such multitudes of self-proclaimed and bickering middlemen, each claiming a superior understanding of truth revealed in superior clarity selectively to them.

When it comes to our evolving understanding of evolution, I’ll put my money on the 99% of real scientists that credit Charles Darwin with the intellectual foundation for all of the life sciences. By “real” I mean those that actually do the research which builds new and useful understanding of our world and which hold virtually all the faculty positions at the the major reseach universities.

Many are practicing Christians of strong faith not the least disturbed at discovery possibly conflicting with metaphorical religion having its roots in the Bronze Age and codified into dogma by candle by flea-bitten monks in the Dark Ages when the Earth was flat. So much for your millenia of inquiry. Indeed, every new discovery for most increases their marvel. Faith that is secure is not threatened by science.

Examine the CV of the garden variety creation “science”/ID type that claims to be a scientist and you typically find something like a third rate physical chemist or aerospace engineer without research portfolio in the life sciences and usually without much in the way of accomplishment in their field of training. What passes for “published research” is very selective review of “facts” at third hand glued together by illogic. “ID” is a joke. Proponents of it are frightfully close to being Christian Taliban.


44 posted on 02/13/2009 12:43:07 PM PST by wow (I can't give you a brain. But I can provide a diploma.)
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