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CALIFORNIA: Budget package stalls one vote shy
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/15/9 | Kevin Yamamura, Steve Wiegand and Jim Sanders

Posted on 02/15/2009 8:35:48 AM PST by SmithL

California's massive $40 billion-plus budget plan stalled in the Legislature early Sunday morning as Senate Republicans balked at a massive proposal containing $14.3 billion in new taxes.

After legislative leaders negotiated a tentative deal last week, the Senate wound up one vote shy of passing the budget plan, surprising those who believed Senate Republican Leader Dave Cogdill had locked up enough votes in his caucus.

Sen. Dave Cox, R-Fair Oaks, was widely believed to be the 27th Senate vote to pass the budget, but he stated early Sunday, "I'm not a prospect for voting for this budget." That sent Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger scrambling to negotiate with other Senate Republicans in search of one final vote.

Both legislative houses were pondering 27 hastily drafted bills that cover state budgets for two fiscal years: the current one that ends June 30 and the next one that begins July 1.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: budget; calbudget; davecox; goldenstate; policestate; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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To: thesharkboy

” It has nothing to do with how much you owe when you file taxes.”

It’s a 5% sur tax if you owe money when you file your tax return.


41 posted on 02/15/2009 9:42:58 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed
It’s a 5% sur tax if you owe money when you file your tax return.

Combined with a reduction in the deduction allowed for dependents (reduced from $300 to $100) so that you're more likely to owe money that can then have the surtax applied to it.

42 posted on 02/15/2009 9:50:15 AM PST by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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California is an experiment replacing legal citizens with illegal ones.


43 posted on 02/15/2009 9:55:02 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: dalereed
It’s a 5% sur tax if you owe money when you file your tax return.

No. It's a 5% surcharge on your TOTAL state income tax liability. Your liability is covered through withholding, quarterly estimated tax payments or a check you send in with your Form540 on April 15th.

44 posted on 02/15/2009 9:56:29 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (I am John Galt...)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Of course it’s on the total but if you don’t owe anything at the end of the year it doesn’t apply, only if you owe.


45 posted on 02/15/2009 10:01:35 AM PST by dalereed
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For Californians and those interested in what’s going on in Sacramento join the ‘Head On A Stick’ Tax Revolt here:

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/

Listen, or stream the show, live coverage of the Budget mess monday through friday this coming week at 3pm pacific.

If it passes with the tax increases, the campaign will be continued!


46 posted on 02/15/2009 10:02:00 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: originalbuckeye
Arnold was never Conservative. He was just better than Bustemante

In what way? Bustemante was the only democrat I've ever voted for in my life. I wasn't really voting 'for' him; but it works out the same in the end. Schwarzenegger has been nothing but a disaster, I would have done anything to get rid of him.

47 posted on 02/15/2009 10:07:58 AM PST by eclecticEel (Wall Street isn't a charity ... so why are we giving them money?)
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To: dalereed

I’m sorry, sir... but you are wrong.

Let’s say you made $50,000 last year and your state income tax liability was $2,000.

Over the course of the year your employer withheld $1,900 from your paycheck for California State Income tax withholding - and you owe $100 when you file your taxes.

The surcharge would be 5% of $2,000 ($100), NOT 5% of $100 ($5)


48 posted on 02/15/2009 10:09:25 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (I am John Galt...)
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To: SmithL

The Senate’s back at it, the Assembly meets at 1pm.


49 posted on 02/15/2009 10:10:41 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs)
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To: So Cal Rocket

That’s exactly what I said!

iF YOU HAVE PAID ENOUGH DURRING THE YEAR THAT YOU DON’T OWE ANYTHING WITH YOUR RETURN THERE IS NO 5% PENALTY.

If you owe one cent there is a 5% surcharge on the entire tax amount.

BTW, go straight to hell!


50 posted on 02/15/2009 10:15:50 AM PST by dalereed
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To: originalbuckeye

“Arnold IS better than Bustemante would have been.”

You are so right. Bustemante was another Villagroso!!!


51 posted on 02/15/2009 10:19:28 AM PST by acoulterfan
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To: acoulterfan

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Bustamante-Cruz.html


52 posted on 02/15/2009 10:27:47 AM PST by acoulterfan
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To: All
I'm no longer responding to Dalereed, but I'll set the record straight for the other FReepers who are interested in learning how the surcharge works.

You owe the 5% surcharge whether you underwithheld, overwithheld, or withheld exactly enough money to cover your state income tax liability for the year. When you calculate your total income tax liability from the tax tables - you add another 5% to that total.

Let's change the example I provided in Post 48:

Let’s say you made $50,000 last year and your state income tax liability was $2,000.

Over the course of the year your employer withheld $2,500 from your paycheck for California State Income tax withholding - and you would ordinarily get a refund of $500 when you file your taxes.

The surcharge would still be 5% of $2,000 ($100), so your new tax bill is $2,100 (and your refund would only be $400) - you would not have avoided the tax as Dalereed professes.

I'll expect an apology from Dalereed after he does his homework.
53 posted on 02/15/2009 10:29:28 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (I am John Galt...)
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To: SmithL

I heard on John and Ken’s radio show that 56 BILLION dollars is spent on welfare in California. Welfare abuse in this state is rampant with at least 50% being fraudulent. I was at the GYM the other day and ran into an old neighbor who was proud to tell me he was on full disability.


54 posted on 02/15/2009 10:41:41 AM PST by doc
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To: nufsed

Four ways to get California in the black:

-Stop paying for social services to illegals

-Cut pensions for state employees in half

-Go after wefare fraud

-In lawsuit cases plaintiffs and their lawyers are liable for damages up to 50% of what they were asking for if they lose their case


55 posted on 02/15/2009 10:48:14 AM PST by doc
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To: doc
In the interst of disclusre. I am a retired public employee/peace officer in Ca. I retired under the previous formula, 2.2% times years of service times highest salary year (not including overtime) @ age 50. Had I waited until 55 I could have got 2.5%.

The current formula is 3.0 at age 50. Maximum 90%

Here's how I would change the formula for cops and fire fighters. 2.5 at age 57. 2.7 at age 62. Maximum 75%.

Regular employees 2.0 at age 60 and 2.5 at age 67.During the crunch I would do the following. Reduce everyone's pay over 3,000 a month by 5%. Over 5,000 7%, over 8,000 10% until the state is out of bankruptcy.

56 posted on 02/15/2009 10:55:24 AM PST by nufsed
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To: nufsed

The first 2.2 should be 2.0%


57 posted on 02/15/2009 10:55:59 AM PST by nufsed
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To: SmithL

Andrew Jackson: “One man in the right makes a majority.”


58 posted on 02/15/2009 11:11:39 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: SmithL

What is amazing is that CA, the most liberal of places, managed to hold off on this bill in order to examine it more thoroughly while the US Congress ramrodded its plan through without debate.


59 posted on 02/15/2009 11:14:49 AM PST by CriticalJ
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To: GVnana; Mojave; originalbuckeye

If Arnold really was/is better than Bustamante (which I am not convinced) then one has to ask: how can it possibly be worse??

That state is going down the tubes with the GOP at the helm. Big mistake.

I was sucked in by Arnold’s celebrity in 2003. I now regret it (in fact long ago). The man has been an epic failure and been so since at least his failed 2005 special election.


60 posted on 02/15/2009 11:20:07 AM PST by Norman Bates
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