Skip to comments.Surtsey still surprises (land features thought to take millions of years form in less than a decade)
Posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Surtsey still surprises
by David Catchpoole
After the island of Surtsey was born of a huge undersea volcanic eruption off Iceland in 1963,1 geologists were astonished at what they found.
As one wrote: On Surtsey, only a few months sufficed for a landscape to be created which was so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief.2
There were wide sandy beaches, gravel banks, impressive cliffs, soft undulating land, faultscarps, gullies and channels and boulders worn by the surf (see picture left), some of which were almost round, on an abrasion platform cut into the cliff.2 And all of this despite the extreme youth3 of the island!
The geologists surprise is understandable, given the modern thinking that young Surtseys varied and mature features ought to have needed long periods of timemillions of yearsto form....
(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...
C’mon GGG, don’t confuse the evos with the facts.
Uniformitarian buster ping!
We have grown tired of sitting on the floor, so we’re off to look for furniture for our new house.
All the best—GGG
But but but according to the holy principle of uniformitarianism, this couldn’t have happened anywhere else on the earth, not ever, not at all!
Almost forgot to ping you ping :o)
Fortunately, you are anything but typical TQC. Wish me luck on my hunt for inexpensive, high quality furniture! (Do the two go together?...we shall soon find out!).
Same thing happened with Mt St Helens 1980 eruption. A pyroclastic flow carved out a huge canyon (referred to by many as a mini grand canyon) in hours and hydrological sorting occurred and formed the typical strata layering we see in other places claimed to be millions of years old, in a day or two.
The difference is that we were around to see it created and KNOW it took an extremely short period of time to come about. If we hadn’t the geologists would be pointing to it as being millions of years old.
It’s only a surprise to those who think that they know everything already.
It's a shame, though. Too bad there aren't about 10,000,000 more of me.... (j/k)
Wish me luck on my hunt for inexpensive, high quality furniture! (Do the two go together?...we shall soon find out!).
Depends on where you buy it from. You can find good second-hand furniture at thrift shops and garage sales, which are usually old enough to not be the cheap, particle-board junk that you'll find at Wal-Mart. They may have a few nicks, but if you're not concerned about that so much, then it's all good. I'm actually rebuilding a bookcase that was more or less knocked apart in a car wreck I has three weeks ago (the shelf was in the back and was thrown all around). The studs and whatnot were ripped out, so the finish won't look great, but I don't care, it's just going into my office study to hold books - something badly needed. I currently have 835 books in my personal library, about ~100 of which are sitting on their sides, piled on top of the ones that are standing properly. Need outweighs aesthetics.
Of course this disproves nothing that has been postulated up till now... just like the rock that came to life this could only have happened this one time. sarc/
Yep—all you’re missing are the sedimentary layers that take millions/billions of years to form.
Cool things to think about later ping.
Yes, they were so astonished that they all changed their studies to reflect a 6,000 year old Earth.
Oh wait, no they didn't.
Oh yeah, I’m all into that. Take the Grand Canyon. Product of millions of years of erosion”, except, I guess, for those areas that look like they were cut with a rock saw and are barely eroded at all.
Don't neglect used furniture stores. I have found great bargains there. I have bought used tables, chairs, bookcases and a buffet.
How long do you suppose it took these sedimentary layers to form???
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, my wife thinks used furniture is “gross.” I just want something to sit on that leaves enough money left over to put dinner on the table :o)
I don’t know what you’ve posted, so a scientist would be unable to offer an opinion. That doesn’t stop others, though.
I have a similar book problem. I have already given away several hundred books to used book stores, and I still have box after box of books sitting in the garage (not to mention all the full bookshelves in the house)! I am literally trying to convince my wife to consider used furniture as we speak. She said she will consider it, but only after we look at IKEA and Living Spaces first. What’s a guy to do?
Surtsey and my wife were born on the same day!
I see a vacation spot in your future!
Look up Spirit Lake, near Mt. St. Helens, sometime. The bark from the pine trees knocked into the lake fell off the trees, settled to the bottom and was covered with silt. It will be fully formed coal within a few more decades.
Figure 2: Fine layering was produced within hours at Mt St Helens on June 12, 1980 by hurricane velocity surging flows from the crater of the volcano. The 25-foot thick (7.6 m), June 12 deposit is exposed in the middle of the cliff. It is overlain by the massive, but thinner, March 19,1982 mudflow deposit, and is underlain by the air-fall debris from the last hours of the May 18, 1980, nine-hour eruption. http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1541/
I will. I remember hearing something about that, but never followed up. Thanks a bunch—GGG
Thanks for the ping. I’d never heard of Surtsey before.
See post #7
I had to respond to your post. I heard that it’s been named “engineers canyon” but I can’t find any info.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to have learned of it though
LOL...How very perceptive of you, Metmom :o)
It would probably help if you asked a geologist questions about erosion and earth, rather than a biologist.
Let’s assume that it is. Does that mean you can extrapolate this specific case to sedimentary layers in general? That you can ignore the incontrovertible geologial evidence that dates layers to hundreds of millions of years?
See post 25.
Make that post 33!
The other thing they found was that acres of trees went sliding into a nearby lake, rolled around for days/weeks and were stripped of their bark, then got waterlogged and sank into the muck and were subsequently buried, at all different angles, and became petrified in a year or two.
Petrification always being regarded as occurring over thousands of years by geologists under ‘natural’ conditions.
“Evos” have nothing to do with this discussion. This post is about the age of the earth. However, your post does spring from the same incredible set of misperceptions that spawn such questions as, “If evolution really happened, why are there still monkeys, huh? Gotcha!”
Your wife really has things backwards. IKEA makes overpriced junk out of fiberboard. It may temporarily look attractive, but has no lasting value and will deteriorate with time.
But if you buy used furniture (and there’s lots of good stuff available, especially now) it will last for centuries. Refinish it and it looks new. Buy the right styles and they’ll never be out of fashion or look dated. Wooden furniture that’s not made of good mahogany, cherry, or walnut can be painted. One strong piece can make a room. Some of these things can be passed on to descendants when you are old, or resold.
You and your wife should consult some good shelter magazines for ideas. It just takes taste and imagination.
[[How long do you suppose it took these sedimentary layers to form??? ]]
Don’t be silly- don’t you know that there are NO evidences for young earth or the flood? Don’t you know that evidences that have cropped up have been ‘explained away’ and ‘thoroughly refuted’ a logn time ago? Don’t you know that there is an ‘explanation’ for everyhting? (As long as you have a good imagination, and pention for story-telling?)
Shhhhhh, don't ask questions like that. It makes you sound unscientific.
You are definitely starting to convince me. Right now we are lucking for a sofa set. Perhaps that’s why she’s saying used furniture is “gross.” You know what’s funny, one of her favorite television programs is the Antiques RoadShow!
IKEA? You're kidding, right? Who would want that Swedish made, socialistic looking junk in their house????
==Lets assume that it is. Does that mean you can extrapolate this specific case to sedimentary layers in general?
If nothing else, it should make you pause and think. And let’s not forget about the newly created island that is the subject of this post. Many, many more examples could be given. YEC predicts these kinds of events, whereas uniformitarians are left baffled. And trust me, many, many more examples could be given.
This can be explained in one word. Asian. My wife is Asian. That is all you need to know.
That's where I collect all sorts of rocks for my rock garden.
Last time this area was a volcanic intrusion of any kind was several billion years ago. Still, there was a gigantic meteor hit the continental margin out here near the DELMARVA and that left a layered uplift of chunks ~ just like any impact crater ~ you can still make out the outlines if you know what you're looking for.
In between "Snowball" and "meteor" this was a chunk of North Africa. You find rocks typical of the region in Morocco.
Maybe God is trying to tell us that we don’t know so much after all.
Thanks for the info!
Yes, there is an explanation for everything. Unfortunately for the uniformitarians, that explanation only goes back around 6,000 years. Mention this explanation, and steam starts shooting out of their ears, and springs start flying out of their head :o)
Unfortunately, no. One does not base rational science on something that just makes you think. Sound geological science proves otherwise using carbon dating among other tools. Now, I know that YECs say that carbon hasn’t always deteriorated this way...
Fortunately, the geologists and engineers that are employed in industries where objectivity on this subject means money (petroleum, for example) are considerable more astute.
I can understand why she feels that used upholstery is a little disgusting. Depends on where it comes from. You never know what bug eggs might be in something from the Salvation Army. When I suggested buying used, I was thinking more of bedstead, tables, dressers, chests, wardrobes, sideboard, etc.—the hard goods.
Rather than get a “sofa set” (by which I’m guessing you mean a sofa and matching loveseat), you might consider buying a sofa and two chairs that match each other but complement, rather than exactly match, the sofa; plus one accent chair of a different style altogether. This will give you much more flexibility as you move and your lives change; you can rearrange the component pieces, move them to different rooms, change things up in a way you can’t do with a sofa set. It also means you could buy a single sofa today and have something to sit on, then go back for chairs later when you see a sale and have a bit more money.
Remember, IKEA sells different lines, and even within a line they will use different materials for different parts (hardwood visible surfaces, paperboard backs) and that sort of thing.
My kitchen is 100% solid European white oak cabinet fronts from IKEA. The floor is 100% solid bamboo.
I even have a couple of Poang chairs in the living room.
Ever sit in a Poang?
Once bought a Billy bookcase. Had to trim 2 inches off each shelf to fit it into a "place". The shelves were made of pressed aromatic cedar ~ just absolutely incredible when I cut into them. Didn't paint the ends over so if you want to snif them, it's still OK.