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Surtsey still surprises (land features thought to take millions of years form in less than a decade)
Journal of Creation ^ | David Catchpoole, P.hD.

Posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Surtsey still surprises

by David Catchpoole

After the island of Surtsey was born of a huge undersea volcanic eruption off Iceland in 1963,1 geologists were astonished at what they found.

As one wrote: ‘On Surtsey, only a few months sufficed for a landscape to be created which was so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief.’2

There were wide sandy beaches, gravel banks, impressive cliffs, soft undulating land, faultscarps, gullies and channels and ‘boulders worn by the surf (see picture left), some of which were almost round, on an abrasion platform cut into the cliff.’2 And all of this despite the ‘extreme youth’3 of the island!

The geologists’ surprise is understandable, given the modern thinking that young Surtsey’s ‘varied and mature’ features ought to have needed long periods of time—millions of years—to form....

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1 posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

C’mon GGG, don’t confuse the evos with the facts.


2 posted on 02/16/2009 9:43:01 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

Uniformitarian buster ping!

We have grown tired of sitting on the floor, so we’re off to look for furniture for our new house.

All the best—GGG


3 posted on 02/16/2009 9:43:38 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

But but but according to the holy principle of uniformitarianism, this couldn’t have happened anywhere else on the earth, not ever, not at all!

/typical evo


4 posted on 02/16/2009 9:44:55 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: demshateGod

Almost forgot to ping you ping :o)


5 posted on 02/16/2009 9:45:15 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Fortunately, you are anything but typical TQC. Wish me luck on my hunt for inexpensive, high quality furniture! (Do the two go together?...we shall soon find out!).


6 posted on 02/16/2009 9:47:12 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Same thing happened with Mt St Helens 1980 eruption. A pyroclastic flow carved out a huge canyon (referred to by many as a mini grand canyon) in hours and hydrological sorting occurred and formed the typical strata layering we see in other places claimed to be millions of years old, in a day or two.

The difference is that we were around to see it created and KNOW it took an extremely short period of time to come about. If we hadn’t the geologists would be pointing to it as being millions of years old.


7 posted on 02/16/2009 9:48:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s only a surprise to those who think that they know everything already.


8 posted on 02/16/2009 9:50:23 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Fortunately, you are anything but typical TQC

It's a shame, though. Too bad there aren't about 10,000,000 more of me.... (j/k)

Wish me luck on my hunt for inexpensive, high quality furniture! (Do the two go together?...we shall soon find out!).

Depends on where you buy it from. You can find good second-hand furniture at thrift shops and garage sales, which are usually old enough to not be the cheap, particle-board junk that you'll find at Wal-Mart. They may have a few nicks, but if you're not concerned about that so much, then it's all good. I'm actually rebuilding a bookcase that was more or less knocked apart in a car wreck I has three weeks ago (the shelf was in the back and was thrown all around). The studs and whatnot were ripped out, so the finish won't look great, but I don't care, it's just going into my office study to hold books - something badly needed. I currently have 835 books in my personal library, about ~100 of which are sitting on their sides, piled on top of the ones that are standing properly. Need outweighs aesthetics.

9 posted on 02/16/2009 9:52:21 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The geologists’ surprise is understandable, given the modern thinking that young Surtsey’s ‘varied and mature’ features ought to have needed long periods of time—millions of years—to form....

Of course this disproves nothing that has been postulated up till now... just like the rock that came to life this could only have happened this one time. sarc/

10 posted on 02/16/2009 9:53:54 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yep—all you’re missing are the sedimentary layers that take millions/billions of years to form.


11 posted on 02/16/2009 9:56:12 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Cool things to think about later ping.


12 posted on 02/16/2009 9:58:24 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
This is nothing new. Catastrophic event quickly forming the features on the earth that exist today has been presented in this theory years ago, a theory which EVO's desperately try to ignore, but can't because science is on it's side.

fountains of the deep

13 posted on 02/16/2009 9:58:29 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: GodGunsGuts
...geologists were astonished at what they found.

Yes, they were so astonished that they all changed their studies to reflect a 6,000 year old Earth.

Oh wait, no they didn't.

14 posted on 02/16/2009 9:59:07 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: Nathan Zachary

Oh yeah, I’m all into that. Take the Grand Canyon. Product of millions of years of erosion”, except, I guess, for those areas that look like they were cut with a rock saw and are barely eroded at all.


15 posted on 02/16/2009 10:00:26 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wish me luck on my hunt for inexpensive, high quality furniture!

Don't neglect used furniture stores. I have found great bargains there. I have bought used tables, chairs, bookcases and a buffet.

16 posted on 02/16/2009 10:04:26 AM PST by bluegirl
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To: Buck W.
==Yep—all you’re missing are the sedimentary layers that take millions/billions of years to form.

How long do you suppose it took these sedimentary layers to form???


17 posted on 02/16/2009 10:10:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: bluegirl

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, my wife thinks used furniture is “gross.” I just want something to sit on that leaves enough money left over to put dinner on the table :o)


18 posted on 02/16/2009 10:12:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I don’t know what you’ve posted, so a scientist would be unable to offer an opinion. That doesn’t stop others, though.


19 posted on 02/16/2009 10:14:14 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I have a similar book problem. I have already given away several hundred books to used book stores, and I still have box after box of books sitting in the garage (not to mention all the full bookshelves in the house)! I am literally trying to convince my wife to consider used furniture as we speak. She said she will consider it, but only after we look at IKEA and Living Spaces first. What’s a guy to do?


20 posted on 02/16/2009 10:16:12 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Surtsey and my wife were born on the same day!


21 posted on 02/16/2009 10:17:26 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon youÂ’re talking about Zimbabwe money.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I see a vacation spot in your future!


22 posted on 02/16/2009 10:18:50 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
billions and billions of years. The half life of some isotopes and conjecture prove it.
23 posted on 02/16/2009 10:19:27 AM PST by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Look up Spirit Lake, near Mt. St. Helens, sometime. The bark from the pine trees knocked into the lake fell off the trees, settled to the bottom and was covered with silt. It will be fully formed coal within a few more decades.


24 posted on 02/16/2009 10:20:10 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: Buck W.

Figure 2: Fine layering was produced within hours at Mt St Helens on June 12, 1980 by hurricane velocity surging flows from the crater of the volcano. The 25-foot thick (7.6 m), June 12 deposit is exposed in the middle of the cliff. It is overlain by the massive, but thinner, March 19,1982 mudflow deposit, and is underlain by the air-fall debris from the last hours of the May 18, 1980, nine-hour eruption. http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1541/

25 posted on 02/16/2009 10:20:43 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I will. I remember hearing something about that, but never followed up. Thanks a bunch—GGG


26 posted on 02/16/2009 10:21:38 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"But but but according to the holy principle of uniformitarianism, this couldn’t have happened anywhere else on the earth, not ever, not at all! /typical evo Except maybe the grand canyon. Evo's still can't explain where billions of tons of silt from billions of years of erosion are that should be at the mouth of river where it dumps into the Pacific.
27 posted on 02/16/2009 10:22:00 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping. I’d never heard of Surtsey before.


28 posted on 02/16/2009 10:23:57 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Buck W.
"Yep—all you’re missing are the sedimentary layers that take millions/billions of years micro seconds to form."

See post #7

29 posted on 02/16/2009 10:26:03 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Secret Agent Man

I had to respond to your post. I heard that it’s been named “engineers canyon” but I can’t find any info.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to have learned of it though


30 posted on 02/16/2009 10:27:59 AM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: metmom

LOL...How very perceptive of you, Metmom :o)


31 posted on 02/16/2009 10:30:13 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Nathan Zachary
Evo's still can't explain where billions of tons of silt from billions of years of erosion are that should be at the mouth of river where it dumps into the Pacific.

It would probably help if you asked a geologist questions about erosion and earth, rather than a biologist.

32 posted on 02/16/2009 10:30:26 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: GodGunsGuts

Let’s assume that it is. Does that mean you can extrapolate this specific case to sedimentary layers in general? That you can ignore the incontrovertible geologial evidence that dates layers to hundreds of millions of years?


33 posted on 02/16/2009 10:30:44 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

See post 25.


34 posted on 02/16/2009 10:31:28 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Make that post 33!


35 posted on 02/16/2009 10:32:10 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: devistate one four

The other thing they found was that acres of trees went sliding into a nearby lake, rolled around for days/weeks and were stripped of their bark, then got waterlogged and sank into the muck and were subsequently buried, at all different angles, and became petrified in a year or two.

Petrification always being regarded as occurring over thousands of years by geologists under ‘natural’ conditions.


36 posted on 02/16/2009 10:35:59 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“Evos” have nothing to do with this discussion. This post is about the age of the earth. However, your post does spring from the same incredible set of misperceptions that spawn such questions as, “If evolution really happened, why are there still monkeys, huh? Gotcha!”


37 posted on 02/16/2009 10:36:48 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Your wife really has things backwards. IKEA makes overpriced junk out of fiberboard. It may temporarily look attractive, but has no lasting value and will deteriorate with time.

But if you buy used furniture (and there’s lots of good stuff available, especially now) it will last for centuries. Refinish it and it looks new. Buy the right styles and they’ll never be out of fashion or look dated. Wooden furniture that’s not made of good mahogany, cherry, or walnut can be painted. One strong piece can make a room. Some of these things can be passed on to descendants when you are old, or resold.

You and your wife should consult some good shelter magazines for ideas. It just takes taste and imagination.


38 posted on 02/16/2009 10:38:11 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[How long do you suppose it took these sedimentary layers to form??? ]]

Don’t be silly- don’t you know that there are NO evidences for young earth or the flood? Don’t you know that evidences that have cropped up have been ‘explained away’ and ‘thoroughly refuted’ a logn time ago? Don’t you know that there is an ‘explanation’ for everyhting? (As long as you have a good imagination, and pention for story-telling?)


39 posted on 02/16/2009 10:39:16 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Except maybe the grand canyon. Evo's still can't explain where billions of tons of silt from billions of years of erosion are that should be at the mouth of river where it dumps into the Pacific.

Shhhhhh, don't ask questions like that. It makes you sound unscientific.

/sarc

40 posted on 02/16/2009 10:40:20 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: ottbmare

You are definitely starting to convince me. Right now we are lucking for a sofa set. Perhaps that’s why she’s saying used furniture is “gross.” You know what’s funny, one of her favorite television programs is the Antiques RoadShow!


41 posted on 02/16/2009 10:42:19 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
IKEA

IKEA? You're kidding, right? Who would want that Swedish made, socialistic looking junk in their house????

42 posted on 02/16/2009 10:42:53 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Buck W.

==Let’s assume that it is. Does that mean you can extrapolate this specific case to sedimentary layers in general?

If nothing else, it should make you pause and think. And let’s not forget about the newly created island that is the subject of this post. Many, many more examples could be given. YEC predicts these kinds of events, whereas uniformitarians are left baffled. And trust me, many, many more examples could be given.


43 posted on 02/16/2009 10:48:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

This can be explained in one word. Asian. My wife is Asian. That is all you need to know.


44 posted on 02/16/2009 10:49:30 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Secret Agent Man
Alas for that theory, my lawn continues to cough up the surface formed by "Snowball Earth" some 600 million years ago.

That's where I collect all sorts of rocks for my rock garden.

Last time this area was a volcanic intrusion of any kind was several billion years ago. Still, there was a gigantic meteor hit the continental margin out here near the DELMARVA and that left a layered uplift of chunks ~ just like any impact crater ~ you can still make out the outlines if you know what you're looking for.

In between "Snowball" and "meteor" this was a chunk of North Africa. You find rocks typical of the region in Morocco.

45 posted on 02/16/2009 10:50:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Secret Agent Man

Maybe God is trying to tell us that we don’t know so much after all.

Thanks for the info!


46 posted on 02/16/2009 10:50:51 AM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: CottShop

Yes, there is an explanation for everything. Unfortunately for the uniformitarians, that explanation only goes back around 6,000 years. Mention this explanation, and steam starts shooting out of their ears, and springs start flying out of their head :o)


47 posted on 02/16/2009 10:52:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Unfortunately, no. One does not base rational science on something that just makes you think. Sound geological science proves otherwise using carbon dating among other tools. Now, I know that YECs say that carbon hasn’t always deteriorated this way...

Fortunately, the geologists and engineers that are employed in industries where objectivity on this subject means money (petroleum, for example) are considerable more astute.


48 posted on 02/16/2009 10:53:20 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I can understand why she feels that used upholstery is a little disgusting. Depends on where it comes from. You never know what bug eggs might be in something from the Salvation Army. When I suggested buying used, I was thinking more of bedstead, tables, dressers, chests, wardrobes, sideboard, etc.—the hard goods.

Rather than get a “sofa set” (by which I’m guessing you mean a sofa and matching loveseat), you might consider buying a sofa and two chairs that match each other but complement, rather than exactly match, the sofa; plus one accent chair of a different style altogether. This will give you much more flexibility as you move and your lives change; you can rearrange the component pieces, move them to different rooms, change things up in a way you can’t do with a sofa set. It also means you could buy a single sofa today and have something to sit on, then go back for chairs later when you see a sale and have a bit more money.


49 posted on 02/16/2009 10:58:56 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: ottbmare
I have an eclectic collection of 200 to 300 year old antiques (handed down through the family ~ one piece may actually be 500 years old though), AND hardwoods from IKEA.

Remember, IKEA sells different lines, and even within a line they will use different materials for different parts (hardwood visible surfaces, paperboard backs) and that sort of thing.

My kitchen is 100% solid European white oak cabinet fronts from IKEA. The floor is 100% solid bamboo.

I even have a couple of Poang chairs in the living room.

Ever sit in a Poang?

Once bought a Billy bookcase. Had to trim 2 inches off each shelf to fit it into a "place". The shelves were made of pressed aromatic cedar ~ just absolutely incredible when I cut into them. Didn't paint the ends over so if you want to snif them, it's still OK.

50 posted on 02/16/2009 11:01:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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