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To: F16Fighter

I totally and strongly disagree with your assessment of GW Bush.

He did not admit the evidence for iraq war were BS.

He did remove from power one of the worst and most viscious global statists— Saddam Hussein.

He did not leave the border WIDE open. He built more border fence than any other President.

Reagan— who is adored by “conservatives” did far more to encourage illegal immigration and laid the cornerstones to the present illegal immigration problems. Paleo Conservatives back stabbed W.

Like Santorum, Toomey was not going to win in Penn. Get over it. How about Murtha winning in Penn? Penn is messed up— that is not W’s fault.

President Bush did not lie about nation building. He made the right decision to change course when the situation changed. Neo isolationsim dramatically failed us on 911 and 3000 Americans died because of it. Its time to label your arguments for what they are— naieve. We looked the other way since Vietnam as Liberal and Conservative reactionaries promised us that if we left the world alone they would leave us alone. Those claims were utterly immoral and false. President Bush had the wisdom to reverse course and attack the Islamofascists on their home turfs. He engaged the continent of AFrica and reversed an Islamic tide that would today confront us with tens of millions more joining the Al Qaeda ranks.

Bush won re-election in 2004 which completely disproves all of your arguments. Republicans in Congress bear the blame for your intellectually lazy positions which seek to impose non constitutional demands on the President. Nixon— who was a good President in my book— did far more damage to potentially ensuring permanent social damage to America. Despite that far worse set back Reagan and Bush sr. triumphed and worked to repeal much of the socialist nonsense.

I am not kidding myself any longer. The paleo con positions outlined by you are most certainly what brought the Dem congress in 2006 and Obama in 2008.

Your false arguments did this.


51 posted on 02/16/2009 8:11:04 PM PST by lonestar67 (Israel is not the enemy.)
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To: lonestar67
"I totally and strongly disagree with your assessment of GW Bush....He did not admit the evidence for iraq war were BS."

Dubya Bush (December, 2008): "The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq" Bush told ABC television in an interview ..."I wish the [crummy] intelligence had been different, I guess."

DUH.

IOW, Bush and the U.S. had no real compelling reason to invader Iraq, but DID have a compelling reason to invade Saudi Arabia (where 15 of 19 hijacker were from.)

"He did remove from power one of the worst and most viscious global statists— Saddam Hussein."

Why end there? What about Kim Jong? Ahmadinejad? The Muslim dictators in the Sudan?

And since when is our military the World's bouncer and our tax-dollars and blood paying for Muslims who abuse their own??

"He did not leave the border WIDE open. He built more border fence than any other President."

Surely you're NOT serious about defending W. Bush's border policy?

He referred to civilian defenders of the porous U.S. border as "vigilantes" - though NONE had killed a single Mexican. The fence?? LOL - what is there - 200 miles up? Not only has Border enforcement has been a well-known joke, but Bush is on record as supporting Mexican law-breaking invaders who are just "doing the work American won't do."

"Reagan— who is adored by “conservatives” did far more to encourage illegal immigration and laid the cornerstones to the present illegal immigration problems. Paleo Conservatives back stabbed W."

Reagan is on record as having stated that that his "amnesty" decision was perhaps his worst in all his Presidency - attributed to "bad advice," though there were far fewer Mexicans invading American back then.

Get this through your head - Dubya Bush is NOT a "conservative," nor has EVER been; His ENTIRE Presidency back that fact up. He screwed REAL conservatives AND destroyed the GOP. Want evidence?? Take a GOOD look at the Senate and Congress.

"Like Santorum, Toomey was not going to win in Penn. Get over it."

Bullsh*t.

That's the SAME bilge people bloviated when conservative McClintock was replace by the RINO Schwarzenegger for Governor - and we know where THAT got Kaleefornia.

"President Bush did not lie about nation building. He made the right decision to change course when the situation changed."

He sure as h*ll DID lie his @ss off. Read it and weep:

October 8, 1999:

"Maybe I'm missing something here," Mr. Bush said in a debate with Democratic rival Al Gore. "I mean, are we going to have some kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not."

The "situation changed" alright; The "Mission" became FUBAR - not that he ever had one other than knocking off Saddam.

"Bush won re-election in 2004 which completely disproves all of your arguments."

Huh? It does?? LOL...

Bush won in 2004 as the "LESSER OF TWO EVILS." He almost lost to a traitor. REAL Conservatives held their nose and pulled the lever for Dubya - and might I add have rued the day.

"Neo isolationsim dramatically failed us on 911 and 3000 Americans died because of it."

No...

Our idiotic Air Defense Command "failed us" as well as our national defense poised at an alert level of 'DEFCON-Comatose' (if there ever were such a alert.)

When WTC and DC air space is EASILY penetrated by obviously hijacked jets and there are NO USAF interceptors to be found as the Pentagon bombed and WTC bombed TWICE, WHO is at fault? Clinton??

65 posted on 02/16/2009 8:57:12 PM PST by F16Fighter (Blame W. Bush who campaigned for victorious lib Specter instead of Toomey back in 2004 (1.5% diff))
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To: lonestar67
I am not kidding myself any longer. The paleo con positions outlined by you are most certainly what brought the Dem congress in 2006 and Obama in 2008.

Your false arguments did this.

Bravo Sir!

And thank you. I have disagreed with President Bush on certain issues but to call this good man the worse president ever after all he has accomplished sometimes under very bad circumstances is simply atrocious.

72 posted on 02/16/2009 9:35:00 PM PST by quesera (The age of darkness is upon us.)
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To: lonestar67

How exactly had we been leaving the world alone since Vietnam?


73 posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:29 PM PST by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: All

Liberals control the educastion system and dominate historians as well.

A realistic analysis would show

Carter as probably in te bottom 5 of all time.
FDR in the middle area
LBJ in the bottom 7 somewhere
JFK bottom 12 or so

Reagan is probably about where he needs to be 7-10 range.

Most underrated....Polk.


81 posted on 02/17/2009 3:38:03 AM PST by rbmillerjr (2/6/09 The Day the Republican Party died.....Reagan's Birthday nonetheless)
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