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To: marktwain; Eaker; tubebender; Pete-R-Bilt; B4Ranch; Tarpon; GeronL
Sounds like a few Utah instructors do not want competition from people out of state.

First, let me state that the Salt Lake Trombone is a leftist rag run out of Denver.

Utah's permit is widely accepted, inexpensive, fairly straight forward to obtain, and hence very popular to the out of state crowd. It's wonderful that the NRA would support the continuation of this trend. On the economic side, Utah DPS/BCI is spending an inordinate amount of time and funds in the permit process, and in the current economic situation, this is indeed a concern to Utah residents.

I'm a member of Utah Shooting Sports Council, and all considered, I agree with Clark. Our local taxes and laws make this possible. We made it happen... as Utah citizens, we pay for the infrastructure to make these permits available, we vote for the laws that put sense above emotion, and if we're going to lose rights based on our position to deliver permits cheaply and conviently to out of staters, well... maybe the process should be changed to protect ourselves. It took a lot for Nevada to accept our permits, and I don't want that put in jeopardy.

I'm also a member of NRA, and can see both sides. Now then, consider the source of this article and their inflamitory leftist nature, and the situation becomes a tad less serious. However, comma, if another state disallows our permits over our process, I'll vote to tighten up the process.

6 posted on 02/19/2009 7:19:35 PM PST by glock rocks (Zero: black, white, and red all over. Let's party like it's 1939!)
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To: glock rocks

>> Our local taxes and laws make this possible ... we pay for the infrastructure to make these permits available ...

Please don’t forget that every out-of-state concealed carry application comes with a $65.25 check attached.

>> We made it happen ... as Utah citizens ... we vote for the laws that put sense above emotion ...

Yes you do, and for that, us out-of-staters are eternally grateful. These permits are invaluable to the citizens of GA, AL, MS, and CO, etc., etc., not to mention the states that don’t issue a permit. Believe me, you couldn’t buy the positive publicity you have generated by your actions.

>> and if we’re going to lose rights ... maybe the process should be changed to protect ourselves.

Agreed, but for the 99.9% of us Utah instructors who do it right, please don’t hang us in the process. Our CO/UT course runs 9 hours - with a “working lunch”; our live fire session is another 4 hours. (As a comparison, FL will approve an NRA Home Firearm Safety course with =one= round shot into a barrel. Florida gunshow courses routinely have you out the door in 2-1/2 hours; a gunshop in Miami TV expo had a reporter out the door in 40 minutes; she never touched a gun.)

QBFimi - Senior NRA Training Counselor, out-of-state UT instructor for 4 years.


9 posted on 02/20/2009 8:00:45 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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