Skip to comments.Rancher ruling adds to border debate
Posted on 02/22/2009 1:12:39 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Arizona rancher Roger Barnett initially faced the possibility of paying $32 million to compensate several illegal immigrants he stopped at gunpoint on his land. He walked away instead with a verdict that rejected any notion he violated the trespassers' civil rights and affirmed that U.S. citizens can still detain aliens crossing the border.
What remains to be seen, though, is what impact the $77,800 in damages that a jury Tuesday ordered Mr. Barnett to pay will have on America's larger immigration debate and the efforts of some illegals to get compensation from a country they aren't even allowed to enter.
The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), an immigrant-advocacy group that helped bring the lawsuit, had claimed Mr. Barnett violated the civil rights of 16 illegal immigrants he stopped crossing his border property after they had illegally sneaked into the United States. MALDEF sought $2 million in actual and punitive damages for each of the plaintiffs.
The outcome fell far short of the advocacy group's wishes.
U.S. District Judge John M. Roll, for starters, dismissed the claims of 10 of the illegals because they did not testify at trial. He then tossed related conspiracy complaints against Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, and his brother Donald, saying illegal immigrants had no constitutionally protected right to travel in the United States.
Judge Roll said the Barnetts, who live in close proximity to the border, could reasonably assume that large groups of people they encountered hiding or trespassing on their property were doing so with the aid of smugglers.
He said entering the United States illegally was a federal felony, for which a citizen's arrest was authorized under Arizona law.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com:80 ...
I say make the first 800 yards on our side of the border a free fire zone. Should put a serious damper on the flow of illegals coming north.
If I catch a burglar in the act in my home, should I detain him and await the police - or should I simply be in fear of my life and limb and kill him.
What the hell is wrong with this "judge?" He sounds as though he might be a moron.
No, I can’t see that.
They even get them voting in some cases.
What, the poor bastards were inconvenienced?
Yeah, that should be worth........ NOTHING!
The US gov’t should pay for all the damages Mr.Barnett has had to his property and livestock, as a result of the US gov’t not doing it’s job at the border. Furthermore, Mr.Barnett should get paid for all his time, doing the job that the gov’t won’t do.
Precisely what justifies that $78 grand—or even 78 cents, for that matter?
The judge should have fined the smack-off, thug Mexican American Legal Defense Fund for wasting this mans time and money.
I looked him up.
He is a Bush I nominee.
I was expecting Clinton or Carter.
He made the government look bad.
He will pay the price.
I still say land mines would be effective.
At least MALDEF and the illegals will see none of the 70K+ that they were awarded...because that will be taken up for the lawyers fees. The illegals are getting ZERO...
And, that is not considering that this decision could be overturned. If Arizonans are protected by state law that illegals cannot sue....an appeals court would have to declare unconstitutional that Arizona law.
It does not surprise me the judge in this trial was a Bush appointee....Bush was very pro-illegal alien.
Mr. Barnett is a hero and needs a defense fund that will fund his appeal and fund the judgment against him if it is upheld.
No Borders, No Country.
That the case was not thrown out before it started is valid testament as to the loon status of our judiciary.
Yeah but they are have too many problems down the road.
This should only be temporary until the U.S. finishes the Mexican-American War and takes physical control of everything north of Mexico City.
“At least MALDEF and the illegals will see none of the 70K+ that they were awarded...because that will be taken up for the lawyers fees.”
Part of the problem is, Maldef is lawyers. They don’t hire them, lawyers run it and most outfits like them. The aliens won’t see anything, you’re right. Maldef could care less about any individual person. They’re funding an agenda. Or I should say, we all are. Don’t forget...Fannie Mae gives them along with LaRaza, Rainbow coalition millions every year.
Dredge the Rio Grande at least 10 feet deep and stock it with piranhas. That’ll help on the TX-Mexico portion of the border.
The Rio Grande doesn’t make it to the Gulf does it? It wasn’t before I came to Virginia
District court decisions don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Appellate decisions, though, are used to guide future legislation and case law. The 2006 law barring illegals from receiving punitive damages may be unsupported by jurisprudence (thus far). Therefore, it's possible that the judge wanted the "pay the illegals" issue to be appealed, and gave the jury "enough rope".
I hope that is where this is going. I’m getting tired of the courts making criminals rich. It’s making me start to rethink my current occupation and just become a criminal.
I feel the same way.
The first shot of the next American revolution/societal breakdown will be along our southern border; it will be made by American citizens who cannot tolerate, among other things, pressing “2” for English any longer.
It’s about transferring wealth from those who earned it through the sweat of their brow to those who vote democrat.
How much “emotional damages” is Roger Barnett owed for these illegals trespassing on his land and causing him to fear for the safety of his family?
If he doesn’t get all the damages erased on his appeal, we should set up a donation fund to cover his costs.
This man is an American hero, and he’s still being treated like a criminal.
I still say there are still a couple hundred-thousand land mines waiting for dismantling that could be put to use.
Well! If you must . . . go ahead.
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According to earlier articles, the damages were awarded for assault and mental distress.
The trial was in Federal Court, I don’t think our State law applies...
I’ll ping this when I get home to my copy of the ping list...I’ve been on travel this weekend.
Looks like I have a lot of articles to catch up on.
I have been on several juries in trials where scammers, IMO, were trying to hit the jackpot. In those cases the plaintiff's claims could not be justified but sometimes there were bleeding hearts who think they should be given at least something just in case we were wrong. That contradicted and watered down our main decisions but the rest of us conceded just to avoid a hung jury. I think many personal injury lawyers, ambulance chasers and others, depend on that when they bring these frivolous lawsuits.
Maybe that was the case here.
I was just reading this article:
Going to Mexico for spring break? Read this first
It warns about the dangers in Mexico and their laws, which AMERICANS must obey. This one really caught my eye:
“, or making obscene or insulting remarks are all considered criminal activities by Mexican authorities. “
If our laws were like Mexico’s, every illegal alien would be in jail. Obscene and insulting remarks is what they do best...no wonder they left Mexico.
Anyway, a couple of items here, did the judge give the jury some flawed instructions or is Barrett's lawyer blowing smoke? The "incident" occurred in 2004 and the constitutional amendment barring illegals from receiving punitive damages wasn't approved til 2006. Did the judge point this out -- maybe???
Article within an article Ping!
It’s a real shame what has taken place in Mexico. If only our national and state level leaders would take a look at what open borders has ushered in there.
Instead, we are poised to make it worse.
Poised to make it worse for all the wrong reasons...as if there were any right reasons for it.
Yes, I agree.
“The jury awarded $17,802 to the six remaining illegal immigrants on their claims of assault and the infliction of emotional distress - $7,500 each to two, $1,400 each to two others and $1 each to the remaining pair. It also ordered Mr. Barnett to pay $60,000 in punitive damages.”
Thanks for the ping!
This is Arizona desert. Even the rivers are underground!
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