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Recent Human Variation Is Not Evolution (evidence points to recent creation)
ICR ^ | February 23, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 02/23/2009 10:05:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: ColdWater
I believe I have found your inquiry:

Please show me one that holds differently. I won't hold my breath.

Try these:

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

http://www.conservapedia.com/Intelligent_design

http://www.answers.com/topic/intelligent-design

Remember, I am not an ID adherant. The readings I mentioned are diverse and either in print or articles from various news sources. Do not expect me to archive every tenet of every belief system out there.

141 posted on 02/23/2009 2:05:41 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Do you have such a short memory or is it only selective recall. You said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. I asked you to provide a link.

Do you always argue this way? I never once said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. Find one post where I said this. When you cannot, apologize.

142 posted on 02/23/2009 2:07:34 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

“If evolution is defined as “change over time,” then clearly one can believe in God and evolution because God could have directed the change.”


143 posted on 02/23/2009 2:21:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.answers.com/topic/intelligent-design

Nowhere does this say man was ‘created’ not evolved/designed.

“The assertion or belief that physical and biological systems observed in the universe result from purposeful design by an intelligent being rather than from chance or undirected natural processes.”


144 posted on 02/23/2009 2:29:37 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
Do you always argue this way? I never once said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. Find one post where I said this. When you cannot, apologize.

OK. Please cite what you have read!

"From what I have read, there are many threads within the ID community."

145 posted on 02/23/2009 2:31:20 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
Remember, I am not an ID adherant. The readings I mentioned are diverse and either in print or articles from various news sources. Do not expect me to archive every tenet of every belief system out there.

Not at all. I am just asking you to back you one tenet. That ID does not support that man evolved over millions of years.

146 posted on 02/23/2009 2:32:48 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; metmom
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Doesn't say how he created the heaven and earth.

Doesn't say He did via anything like evolution.

147 posted on 02/23/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Doesn’t say anything about radiation but I hope you believe in radiation.


148 posted on 02/23/2009 3:15:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: tpanther

Doesn’t say he didn’t.


149 posted on 02/23/2009 7:31:13 PM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

Great news!

By the way, please add me to your ping list, thanks!


150 posted on 02/23/2009 8:09:28 PM PST by Charles Rayney (http://charlesrayney.blogspot.com)
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To: GodGunsGuts
For example, John Hawks at the University of Wisconsin-Madison told Discover, “No one on earth had blue eyes 10,000 years ago.”

Evolution in progress.

151 posted on 02/23/2009 8:35:33 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


152 posted on 02/23/2009 9:16:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Charles Rayney

Done! Welcome aboard the HMS Creation :o)


153 posted on 02/24/2009 5:33:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater; Wacka; metmom
Doesn’t say anything about radiation but I hope you believe in radiation.

And it doesn't say anything about first tying your shoes before going off for the day, because if you don't, you might trip and fall.

There, glad that's all settled!

154 posted on 02/24/2009 3:22:08 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: rjsimmon
"The Word of God says "created", not "evolved"."

So why does it have to be mutually exclusive? I doubt that ancient Hebrew even had a word for evolution and that created could have easily meant a slow rather than an abracadabra process.

155 posted on 03/02/2009 9:06:31 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: rjsimmon
"Creation involves purpose and design."

However, creation is not constrained by time or process.

156 posted on 03/02/2009 9:30:48 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
So why does it have to be mutually exclusive?

Because of the end purpose. If humans are accidents of nature, evolved from primordial soup, then we are not in need of redemption. God created man for His great purpose, man subsequently fell from grace and needed to be redeemed. We alone hold this unique position in all of the known universe.

157 posted on 03/03/2009 5:08:02 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
"If humans are accidents of nature, evolved from primordial soup, then we are not in need of redemption."

You need to shut down your transmitter long enough for your receiver to function. The debate in this thread is not about whether man spontaneously arose from the primordial soup, it is about the validity of the catholic Churches endorsement of Theistic Evolution. The main point being that God using the laws of science that He created does not diminish the miraculous nature of His creations. If you are so hung up on the time the process took just remember that God created space and time and the relationships between them, but if you would prefer card tricks........

158 posted on 03/03/2009 7:57:03 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
You need to shut down your transmitter long enough for your receiver to function.

What an eloquent way to influence people and persuade them to your point of view. BTW, my receiver is functioning quite well.

The debate in this thread is not about whether man spontaneously arose from the primordial soup, it is about the validity of the catholic Churches endorsement of Theistic Evolution.

How wonderful it is that we have you to come along and tell us what we are discussing. Not one person on this thread had a clue until you deigned to drop by. Thank you for enlightening us wee simple folk.

Now, to enlighten you, the Catholic church's endorsement was not even mentioned in the article. The article was from the Institute for Creation Research.

The main point being that God using the laws of science that He created does not diminish the miraculous nature of His creations.

You must actually read the article in question and the ensuing thread. This was not in question. What was in question, at least my salient point, was that Christianity and evolution are mutually exclusive.

If you are so hung up on the time the process took just remember that God created space and time and the relationships between them,

This is truly asanine. I am not 'hung up' on time. God's word specifically states God created heaven and the Earth. His revelation to Moses was each time period used for significant events was a 24 hour period. This is for man's reasoning. Whether the Almighty used 24 actual hours to do one thing or another is entirely His business, but He revealed a time period that was put into the account of creation. What I find more poignant is that there were those significant events and they were grouped according to some category of creation. The time thing is merely a side note, as far as I am concerned, and not a litmus test for salvation. What is fundamental though, is the difference between a created being and an accident.

but if you would prefer card tricks......

Truly a dizzying intellect.

159 posted on 03/03/2009 8:21:51 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
"God's word specifically states God created heaven and the Earth."

So if God didn't employ the processes He created, how do you describe the process of "creation". Does it have to look like pulling a rabbit out of a hat to pass your divine litmus test?

160 posted on 03/03/2009 9:28:24 AM PST by Natural Law
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