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Pick up a rock on federal land, go to jail?
WND ^ | February 22, 2009

Posted on 02/23/2009 4:38:30 PM PST by Joiseydude

WASHINGTON – A land management bill that swept through the U.S. Senate last month and is headed for a House vote this week punishes rock collectors and paleontologists with arrest and expropriation of their cars and other equipment for even unknowingly disturbing fossils on public land, say critics.

In the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009, a "forfeiture" provision would let the government confiscate "all vehicles and equipment of any person" who digs up or removes a rock or a bone from federal land that meets the bill's broad definition of "paleontological resource," says a report by Jon Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

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1 posted on 02/23/2009 4:38:31 PM PST by Joiseydude
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To: Joiseydude

Clear violation of the 4th Amendment brought to you by the war on drugs.


2 posted on 02/23/2009 4:39:34 PM PST by omega4179 (Jindal MMXII)
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To: Joiseydude

What about illegals coming in over the border? Are they exempt?


3 posted on 02/23/2009 4:40:35 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Joiseydude

Glad this wasn’t around in 2007!


4 posted on 02/23/2009 4:40:37 PM PST by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Joiseydude

The Fed own too much land. The want us concentrated in cities where they can control and tax us better.


5 posted on 02/23/2009 4:41:19 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Joiseydude

It’s always been unlawful to take rocks from government lands but confiscating your vehicle is taking things too far.


6 posted on 02/23/2009 4:41:32 PM PST by bgill
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To: Dallas59

So where did you steal rocks from?


7 posted on 02/23/2009 4:42:32 PM PST by Joiseydude (Obama: "Putting my ideals into effect are more important than your safety from terrorist acts")
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To: Joiseydude

Nothing new really. When I was in the upper penninsula last July we had to be carefull about collecting agates on the beaches. Between state and federal lands you really have to be carefull. It’s been that way for years.


8 posted on 02/23/2009 4:42:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Joiseydude

I could see someone walking out with a rock stuck in their shoe tread...


9 posted on 02/23/2009 4:42:58 PM PST by allmost
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To: Joiseydude

hmmm..could that now extend to any private property owned/mortgaged with the soon to be nationalized banks?

You bet your arse! I love collecting rocks and fossils! This is ridiculous!


10 posted on 02/23/2009 4:43:18 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Joiseydude

“for even unknowingly disturbing fossils”

I always get a kick out of this . . . the average slob has to KNOW ALL THE LAWS THAT ARE PASSED, but a common, two-bit criminal has to have his rights read to him (ala Miranda) because he might NOT KNOW THE LAW, and will be freed if he wasn’t informed of his rights (that he didn’t know).

What am I missing?


11 posted on 02/23/2009 4:44:40 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Joiseydude

Well...uh...I .....Never! But I did take a #1 and #2 on government land.


12 posted on 02/23/2009 4:44:52 PM PST by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Joiseydude
Make sure you clean the treads of your motorcycle tires after riding on BLM land. There was no size designated for the rocks in question. A grain of sand or a pebble wedged in a tread could cost your vehicle. Beware politicians writing law in a hurry. It is often bad and broad. Just look at the recent law concerned lead and products for children under age 12. What a disaster.
13 posted on 02/23/2009 4:45:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Joiseydude

These rules have been around for a while. Sounds like they are increasing penalties.
My wife and I were at Fort Jefferson National Monument at the Dry Tortugas, a group of islands 70 miles west of Key West by boat. We were boarded by National Marine Sanctuary personnel who wanted to snoop around the boat some, checked fish for size limits and then came across a bucket of dead shells we had gathered beachcombing, they really flipped out when they saw we had some small pieces of dead coral that we found on the beach.
Got ticketed, fined, wasted half a day dealing with 5 different Federal agencies.

A nightmare.


14 posted on 02/23/2009 4:46:21 PM PST by jsh3180
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To: Joiseydude

15 posted on 02/23/2009 4:48:05 PM PST by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Joiseydude
I have always had a problem with the sign, “Property of US Government, No Tresspassing.”
16 posted on 02/23/2009 4:48:18 PM PST by hadaclueonce (< Patching a tire ....)
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To: hadaclueonce

13 seconds


17 posted on 02/23/2009 4:49:32 PM PST by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Myrddin

“Beware politicians writing law in a hurry.”

Drop the last three words and it be more accurate.


18 posted on 02/23/2009 4:50:21 PM PST by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
They want us concentrated in cities where they can control and tax us better.

Yep, rural cleansing.

19 posted on 02/23/2009 4:50:32 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Welcome to the Obama-Democrat Depression.)
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To: Joiseydude

Welcome to the New Direction Amerika, comrades!


20 posted on 02/23/2009 4:51:48 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The media lied, America died !)
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To: ataDude
"Drop the last three words and it be more accurate"

Sheesh... I hate that. S/b "... and it would be more accurate."

21 posted on 02/23/2009 4:52:33 PM PST by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: allmost
I could see someone walking out with a rock stuck in their shoe tread...

Well then, I am totally screwed then ... way too many times than I care to imagine have my skis and associated footwear (boots, bindings, etc) picked up little pieces of 'whatever' from *government* ski areas Belleayre, Gore, and Whiteface mountains ... GEEZ, one of thems little pieces of 'whatever' might have been some fossilized remains which hold the clue to the Universe as a whole, and here I am riding around with them for years on the floor of my SUV .... Totally SCREWED!

/sarc off

22 posted on 02/23/2009 4:53:21 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: jsh3180

If these rocks are so valuable, can I just go ahead and pay my taxes using rocks that I have on my own land? That’s fair, right? Then the govt can replenish its collection that it appears to be so worried about.


23 posted on 02/23/2009 4:53:46 PM PST by sscoots969
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To: penelopesire
hmmm..could that now extend to any private property owned/mortgaged with the soon to be nationalized banks?

Gardeners beware. Only the rich will be able to afford the permits, but the rich will be eating out anyway. Those spring tulips? Proof that you are an evil... digger.

24 posted on 02/23/2009 4:54:32 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Joiseydude

What’s the penalty for hunting the Kings deer


25 posted on 02/23/2009 4:55:03 PM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: ataDude

You can pretty much drop all but the first two.


26 posted on 02/23/2009 4:55:17 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Joiseydude
Subtitle D of the bill called the "Paleontological Resources Preservation Act" would make it illegal to "excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface or attempt to excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface any paleontological resources located on Federal land" without special permission from the government.

Sounds reasonable.

27 posted on 02/23/2009 4:58:03 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: clamper1797

“What’s the penalty for hunting the Kings deer”

Exactly.


28 posted on 02/23/2009 4:58:37 PM PST by dljordan
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To: clamper1797
What’s the penalty for hunting the Kings deer

You will be informed of the penalty when you get caught.

29 posted on 02/23/2009 5:00:40 PM PST by Joiseydude (Obama: "Putting my ideals into effect are more important than your safety from terrorist acts")
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To: Joiseydude
This is one ugly piece of legislation.

SEC. 6306. PROHIBITED ACTS; CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) In General- A person may not--

(1) excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface or attempt to excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface any paleontological resources located on Federal land unless such activity is conducted in accordance with this subtitle;

(2) exchange, transport, export, receive, or offer to exchange, transport, export, or receive any paleontological resource if the person knew or should have known such resource to have been excavated or removed from Federal land in violation of any provisions, rule, regulation, law, ordinance, or permit in effect under Federal law, including this subtitle; or

(3) sell or purchase or offer to sell or purchase any paleontological resource if the person knew or should have known such resource to have been excavated, removed, sold, purchased, exchanged, transported, or received from Federal land.
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SEC. 6308. REWARDS AND FORFEITURE.

(a) Rewards- The Secretary may pay from penalties collected under section 6306 or 6307 or from appropriated funds...

Anyone who has an arrowhead or fossil collection at home had better carefully document the dates they collected or purchased whatever they have.

Anyone who has an arrowhead or fossil collection had better not ever show it to their liberal friends or anyone else who may turn them in for the reward.

30 posted on 02/23/2009 5:02:28 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Pick up a rock and they confiscate your car.
Pick up a hooker and they confiscate your car.
Drive to fast and they confiscate your car.
Get caught with a joint in your car and they confiscate your car.

I believe that we have a trend starting here.

I’m gonna enjoy the next revolution. (gonna was deliberately mispelt.)


31 posted on 02/23/2009 5:07:45 PM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: Joiseydude

Coming soon to a backyard near you.


32 posted on 02/23/2009 5:10:11 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: Joiseydude

For a good review of the problem, read Tony Hilerman’s Thief of Time. It is a great murder mystery in which Lt Joe Leaphorn and his sidekick Jim Chee of the Navajo Tribal Police chase pot thieves and archeologists from Chaco Canyon to Bluff Utah and the Smithsonian.


33 posted on 02/23/2009 5:15:28 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: Dallas59

I wonder if the politicans are gonna start raising our taxes even more to afford putting little tiny tags on the rocks..kinda like those on pillows and mattresses.


34 posted on 02/23/2009 5:17:03 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Man the pitchforks and torches.......let the revolution begin)
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To: Joiseydude

I figured this was coming. Have they repealed the 1872 mining laws yet?

As an old miner, I’ve clashed with the Feds more than once over “guvmint rocks”.

The Forest Service even set their chief drug enforcement agent on my tail for nearly a year. I guess ‘government rocks’ (off of legally staked mining claims) are more important than the marijuana plantations and illegal aliens with AK47s guarding them in the national forests.

After the Feds lost their case, my lawyer said I’d better give up the claims anyway, for my own safety, because the guy was literally hoping for the opportunity to shoot me.

And this was during the G.H.W.Bush years. I can only imagine an 0bama minion in charge of guarding those irreplaceable government rocks.


35 posted on 02/23/2009 5:21:42 PM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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To: jsh3180

During my navy days we stopped ship and took our workboats in to Fort Jefferson for a day on the beach. Excellent place!

I remember pulling a this huge starfish about 14 inches round and 5 or 6 inches thick from the moat around the fort. It was a doosy. I got jumped on pretty bad for disturbing it.


36 posted on 02/23/2009 5:22:40 PM PST by diverteach (http://www.slapobama.com/)
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To: bert

This law will double cover reservations. We all be guilty then just for living among ancient ruins and picking up rocks for slingshots.


37 posted on 02/23/2009 5:29:22 PM PST by Redcitizen (The Death Star is the ultimate in peacekeeping.)
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To: diverteach
I remember pulling a this huge starfish about 14 inches round and 5 or 6 inches thick from the moat around the fort. It was a doosy. I got jumped on pretty bad for disturbing it.

Not to mention the nasty sting from the Starfish!

38 posted on 02/23/2009 5:29:32 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Joiseydude

You’ll be breaking the law every time your drive on federal property now and get a piece of gravel embedded between your tire treads.


39 posted on 02/23/2009 5:34:20 PM PST by TADSLOS (Mah BOIZ say-Da GOP is da shizzle mah nizzle! Vote fo mah Pubbie Peepz or I'll bust a cap in yo ass!)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Um, starfish do not sting, jellyfish do.


40 posted on 02/23/2009 5:37:27 PM PST by diverteach (http://www.slapobama.com/)
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To: Joiseydude

Rock collecting is more fun and exciting when it is illegal.


41 posted on 02/23/2009 5:38:48 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: diverteach

K ... me bad :(


42 posted on 02/23/2009 5:40:27 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: trumandogz

Until you have to walk by an arrowhead, or can’t pick up a pretty rock on the ground. Mining, excavation, etc,,i can see. But no exception for a few stones here and there?

Their goal is to always be “in your face”. They want you to always be forced to stop and think, about them and their rules.


43 posted on 02/23/2009 5:42:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: LegendHasIt
I figured this was coming. Have they repealed the 1872 mining laws yet?

I think that is part of this bill. Go to goldprospectors.org and sign up for the GPAA forum there. It's free to sign up and post. There is a lot of posting about this or something similar. The proposed changes came when Bush was in office but aren't being put into law until now.

44 posted on 02/23/2009 5:43:57 PM PST by Aglooka (Posting from New Hampshachusetts (Formerly New Hampshire))
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To: american_ranger
Pick up a rock and they confiscate your car. Pick up a hooker and they confiscate your car. Drive to fast and they confiscate your car. Get caught with a joint in your car and they confiscate your car. I believe that we have a trend starting here.

Sounds like part of the bailout for the auto companies.

45 posted on 02/23/2009 5:48:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: american_ranger
Pick up a rock and they confiscate your car. Pick up a hooker and they confiscate your car. Drive to fast and they confiscate your car. Get caught with a joint in your car and they confiscate your car.

I believe that we have a trend starting here.

I’m gonna enjoy the next revolution. (gonna was deliberately mispelt.)

Good point but the sheeple are much too complacent to revolt.

46 posted on 02/23/2009 5:50:34 PM PST by Aglooka (Posting from New Hampshachusetts (Formerly New Hampshire))
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To: Joiseydude

It has been illegal to remove rocks/fossils/artifacts from federal lands for many years due to mass marketing and disruption/destruction of possible archaeological sites...the stakes have just gone up, that’s all.And the feds do control too much land, particularly out west...now might be a good time to resurrect the sagebrush rebellion.


47 posted on 02/23/2009 5:55:19 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is Americas new Forrest Gump...but with an oversized ego and ears.)
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To: cripplecreek
Nothing new really. When I was in the upper penninsula last July we had to be carefull about collecting agates on the beaches. Between state and federal lands you really have to be carefull. It’s been that way for years.

Nothing new? You mean you think they have been confiscating peoples cars for years because they pick up a rock? I suppose you are ok with the government being able to seize your property whenever they get the whim. They are passing more and more confiscation laws. The drug laws were a foot in the door and now they want to confiscate everything we own and won't stop until they can do it for a traffic violation.

48 posted on 02/23/2009 5:57:40 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

The Greeks have similar laws around the Parthenon and some of their other treasures. To protect these sites they have a crew that “salts” the area around them with small stones every week. God be praised, no one has successfully taken a 2 ton granite block yet and the thieves are overjoyed to have a 1 inch chunk of rock to show the idiots back in Iowa. Somehow we have been blessed with too many idiots in our park service lately.


49 posted on 02/23/2009 6:36:22 PM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Joiseydude

You nor I can pick up a rock but the federal government can sell the timber and mineral rights to companies and reap the rewards. We own these parks what’s our cut of the timber and mineral profits made from our land which we still have to pay to step foot on? Did you ever get a check in the mail? I know I never have.


50 posted on 02/23/2009 7:35:44 PM PST by Radio Free American? (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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