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Denver archbishop warns against ‘spirit of adulation’ surrounding Obama
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15176 ^ | 2/23/09 | Catholic News Agency

Posted on 02/23/2009 8:10:56 PM PST by pissant

Toronto, Canada, Feb 23, 2009 / 09:03 pm (CNA).- Canadians packed St. Basil’s Church in Toronto on Monday evening to hear Archbishop Charles Chaput speak about how Catholics should live out their faith in the public square. He warned that in the U.S., Catholics need to act on their faith and be on guard against "a spirit of adulation bordering on servility" that exists towards the Obama administration.

The public lecture by Archbishop Chaput took place on the campus of the University of Toronto at St. Basil’s Church and was attended by an overflow crowd of more than 700 people.

After giving a sketch of the basic principles in his New York Times Bestseller "Render Unto Caesar," the archbishop offered his insights on the need for an honest assessment of the situation of the Church in the public square.

"I like clarity, and there’s a reason why," began the archbishop. "I think modern life, including life in the Church, suffers from a phony unwillingness to offend that poses as prudence and good manners, but too often turns out to be cowardice. Human beings owe each other respect and appropriate courtesy. But we also owe each other the truth -- which means candor."

The Denver prelate then provided his critique of President Obama.

"President Obama is a man of intelligence and some remarkable gifts. He has a great ability to inspire, as we saw from his very popular visit to Canada just this past week. But whatever his strengths, there’s no way to reinvent his record on abortion and related issues with rosy marketing about unity, hope and change. Of course, that can change. Some things really do change when a person reaches the White House. Power ennobles some men. It diminishes others. Bad policy ideas can be improved. Good policy ideas can find a way to flourish. But as Catholics, we at least need to be honest with ourselves and each other about the political facts we start with."

Yet this will be "very hard for Catholics in the United States," Chaput warned.

According to the archbishop, the political situation for Catholics is difficult to discern because a "spirit of adulation bordering on servility already exists among some of the same Democratic-friendly Catholic writers, scholars, editors and activists who once accused pro-lifers of being too cozy with Republicans. It turns out that Caesar is an equal opportunity employer."

Looking ahead to the coming months and years, Chaput offered four "simple things" to remember.

"First," he said, "all political leaders draw their authority from God. We owe no leader any submission or cooperation in the pursuit of grave evil."

"In fact, we have the duty to change bad laws and resist grave evil in our public life, both by our words and our non-violent actions. The truest respect we can show to civil authority is the witness of our Catholic faith and our moral convictions, without excuses or apologies."

In a reference to the messianic treatment the Barack Obama received from some Americans during the presidential primaries, Archbishop Chaput delivered his second point: "in democracies, we elect public servants, not messiahs."

Noting that Obama actually trailed in the weeks just before the election, the Denver archbishop said that this places some of today’s talk about a "new American mandate" in perspective.

"Americans, including many Catholics, elected a gifted man to fix an economic crisis. That’s the mandate. They gave nobody a mandate to retool American culture on the issues of marriage and the family, sexuality, bioethics, religion in public life and abortion. That retooling could easily happen, and it clearly will happen -- but only if Catholics and other religious believers allow it."

The third point to focus on when the beliefs of Catholics are challenged is that "it doesn’t matter what we claim to believe if we’re unwilling to act on our beliefs," Chaput counseled.

"The fourth and final thing to remember, and there’s no easy way to say it," remarked Archbishop Chaput, is that the "Church in the United States has done a poor job of forming the faith and conscience of Catholics for more than 40 years."

"And now we’re harvesting the results -- in the public square, in our families and in the confusion of our personal lives. I could name many good people and programs that seem to disprove what I just said. But I could name many more that do prove it, and some of them work in Washington."

American Catholics need to realize that many in the current generation haven’t just been "assimilated" into the American culture, but have in fact been "absorbed and bleached and digested by it," Archbishop Chaput asserted.

If this realization doesn’t happen, the coming generations will continue on the same path and "a real Catholic presence in American life will continue to weaken and disappear," said Chaput.

Citing the example of "unhappy, self-described Catholics who complain that abortion is too much of a litmus test," he stated, "We can’t claim to be ‘Catholic’ and ‘pro-choice’ at the same time without owning the responsibility for where the choice leads – to a dead unborn child."

The archbishop also addressed the "abortion reduction" argument being made by some in politics.

"We can’t talk piously about programs to reduce the abortion body count without also working vigorously to change the laws that make the killing possible. If we’re Catholic, then we believe in the sanctity of developing human life. And if we don’t really believe in the humanity of the unborn child from the moment life begins, then we should stop lying to ourselves and others, and even to God, by claiming we’re something we’re not."

"Catholic social teaching goes well beyond abortion," Chaput noted. "In America we have many urgent issues that beg for our attention, from immigration reform to health care to poverty to homelessness."

Winding his talk down, the Archbishop of Denver remarked on the misunderstanding of the word "hope."

"For Christians," he explained, "hope is a virtue, not an emotional crutch or a political slogan. Virtus, the Latin root of virtue, means strength or courage. Real hope is unsentimental. It has nothing to do with the cheesy optimism of election campaigns. Hope assumes and demands a spine in believers. And that’s why – at least for a Christian -- hope sustains us when the real answer to the problems or hard choices in life is ‘no, we can’t,’ instead of ‘yes, we can.’"

The full text of the archbishop's speech can be found here: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/document.php?n=790


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KEYWORDS: archbishopchaput; bho44; cult; first100days; larrysinclairslover; marxistquisling; obama; obamamessiah
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Cmon now, my good Archbishop, Obama is even outpolling the Lord as #1 hero of all time.
1 posted on 02/23/2009 8:10:56 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Good for the Archbishop. This cult of personality around Obama is sickening.


2 posted on 02/23/2009 8:15:27 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: pissant
I have to use fewer letters than the good Archbishop:

I-D-O-L-A-T-R-Y

3 posted on 02/23/2009 8:17:58 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

And to the best of my reckoning, he ain’t even an ‘American’ Idol.


4 posted on 02/23/2009 8:18:54 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

St. Paul said that we are fools for Christ. We are in the world but not of the world. I am proud to be a Catholic when I hear the words of His Emminence. If it is my church that in the end is the only voice of protest against this mad grab for power, I will stand with her.


5 posted on 02/23/2009 8:20:47 PM PST by johnnycap
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To: pissant
Thanks for the reminder p a ....

tru tru....

And that will soon have the Light of Truth shining all over it.... (my prayers for the truth to be known!)

THEN....
It will be *popcorn* time....

6 posted on 02/23/2009 8:22:50 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: pissant
Brother Chaput still votes with the democrats.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

7 posted on 02/23/2009 8:25:07 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

You have his voting record?


8 posted on 02/23/2009 8:26:15 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
My tagline from November 5 through Thanksgiving Eve:

BHO: I'd rather defy than deify.

He’s not the Messiah!

9 posted on 02/23/2009 8:28:18 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Watching some of the 0Bama events, I have often seen people praying for 0Bama.

Only, it seemed they were praying TO 0bama...

Seriously creeped me out.


10 posted on 02/23/2009 8:30:44 PM PST by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: pissant
He openly supported Gov Ritter( Roman Catholic ) the baby killer.

Then said he was disappointed when Ritter funded Planned Parenthood.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

11 posted on 02/23/2009 8:31:37 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: johnnycap

Chaput is an Archbishop - His Excellency, not a Cardinal - His Emminence.


12 posted on 02/23/2009 8:32:41 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: XeniaSt

As has been repeatedly proven in the past, you are a liar bearing false witness.


13 posted on 02/23/2009 8:33:46 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: pissant

"...all political leaders draw their authority from God. We owe no leader any submission or cooperation in the pursuit of grave evil."

"In fact, we have the duty to change bad laws and resist grave evil in our public life, both by our words and our non-violent actions. The truest respect we can show to civil authority is the witness of our *Christian faith and our moral convictions, without excuses or apologies."

I changed one *word in the text.
14 posted on 02/23/2009 8:34:57 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: XeniaSt
He openly supported Gov Ritter( Roman Catholic ) the baby killer.

Documented source? Remember that you were exposed a few months ago spreading this lie.

15 posted on 02/23/2009 8:35:29 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: XeniaSt

He ran as a pro-life candidate, if I recall.


16 posted on 02/23/2009 8:36:15 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
As has been repeatedly proven in the past, you are a liar bearing false witness.

Check with the Rocky or the Post.

Chaput has always been more interested in Illegal Aliens
than against the murder of innocent babies.

Do you Judge people ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
17 posted on 02/23/2009 8:39:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: pissant
He ran as a pro-life candidate, if I recall.

You are correct !

Discernment would lead one to believe
a democrat would support the party platform.

Which wholeheartedly promotes abortion.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
18 posted on 02/23/2009 8:43:22 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: All
Brother Chaput still votes with the democrats.

Ballots are (still) secret in the United States. Anyone claiming knowledge of another man's vote might will be implicating himself in a crime.

19 posted on 02/23/2009 8:45:10 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Don't you just LOVE irony?!?

Imagine a post in which one person made the following two statements:

Chaput has always been more interested in Illegal Aliens than against the murder of innocent babies.

Do you Judge people ?
Yum yum: a veritable Feast of Irony.
20 posted on 02/23/2009 8:48:45 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: pissant

God bless Archbishop Chaput!


22 posted on 02/23/2009 9:05:51 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Amen


23 posted on 02/23/2009 9:08:08 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant; nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...
**there’s no way to reinvent his record on abortion and related issues with rosy marketing about unity, hope and change.**

LOl! Telling it like it is!

Catholic Discussion Ping!

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24 posted on 02/23/2009 9:08:50 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Chaput rips Ritter on abortion issue

I'll repeat this one more time for clarity

After the election Chaput is all of a sudden surprised
that Ritter is Pro-Abortion even though Ritter ran as a pro choice.

Democrats will do any thing or say anything in order to seize power.

What is clear is that Chaput is either naive or fails in descernment.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
25 posted on 02/23/2009 9:08:53 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Now, I suggest you humbly and sincerely apologize.


26 posted on 02/23/2009 9:11:28 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: pissant

"and be on guard against "a spirit of adulation bordering on servility"

27 posted on 02/23/2009 9:11:56 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: XeniaSt

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You think Chaput doesn’t know he was fooled by Ritter?


28 posted on 02/23/2009 9:19:27 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: darkangel82

Paging VP Biden and Ms. Pelosi pick up the phone to Rome and return to Adult Catechism at once.

The good Archbishop is Freepin to the Choir.


29 posted on 02/23/2009 9:19:29 PM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Persevere)
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To: All
Do you Judge people ?
30 posted on 02/23/2009 9:19:32 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: XeniaSt

Chaput grew up in a Democratic household. It takes time and experience to expose a lie.


31 posted on 02/23/2009 9:20:58 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Global2010

They would spontaneously combust if they did that. Which might not be such a bad thing....


32 posted on 02/23/2009 9:21:23 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Now, I suggest you humbly and sincerely apologize.

You have clearly not read nor comprehended the articles you posted.

Chaput supported the pro abortion Democrat Ritter over the
Republician Roman Catholic who supported the Roman church position.

I do not need your apology.

You need to repent to YHvH for bearing false witness against me.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
33 posted on 02/23/2009 9:43:11 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: pissant; Salvation
even girly boy's like chris matthews get tingling sensations when they speak of obama. he's the new messiah for the irreverent and irreligious left.
34 posted on 02/23/2009 9:50:30 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: XeniaSt

“—either naive or fails in discernment”.

You are setting yourself up as a judge and jury.

I don’t buy it.


35 posted on 02/23/2009 9:55:02 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: All
Malformed accusation:
Chaput supported the pro abortion Democrat Ritter over the Republican Catholic who supported the Catholic position.
Reality:

Ritter and Beauprez are both Catholics, and both campaigned as pro-lifers.

36 posted on 02/23/2009 9:59:56 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Running On Empty

Have you read the whole thread?

It’s a hoot!


37 posted on 02/23/2009 10:00:36 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: pissant
"We owe no leader any submission or cooperation in the pursuit of grave evil."

Which is why Americans should defy the Communist and his thugs every single day.


38 posted on 02/23/2009 10:03:19 PM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Running On Empty
XS> Chaput is either naive or fails in discernment

You are setting yourself up as a judge and jury.

I don’t buy it.

Read the posted articles in the timeline
of the election and judge for yourself.

The endorsement for democrat Ritter is before the election.

The buyers remorse is after the election when Chaput
finally realizes that Ritter snookered him.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
39 posted on 02/23/2009 10:03:25 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

I’ll take Bishop Chaput.

You can have XeniaSt


40 posted on 02/23/2009 11:04:47 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: pissant

41 posted on 02/23/2009 11:14:19 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: XeniaSt

“Discernment would lead one to believe
a democrat would support the party platform.Which wholeheartedly promotes abortion.”

That is generally true, but not always. There is the late Gov Casey and even very liberal former Rep David Bonoir was always pro-life. There are exceptions, and especially if the candidate runs as pro-life Democrat, one might expect all the more that he IS pro-life. That this candidate, once elected, disappointed is not the Archbishop’s doing.


42 posted on 02/23/2009 11:24:35 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Don’t forget that the late Gov. Casey was punished by his party by not being permitted to speak at the DNC years ago, and his son, Bob Casey, learned well from this experience and is no longer pro-life. Still a Dem, though.

This is a good speech. To my knowledge, it’s the first time that a churchman has come right out and warned people about the adulation directed at this “messiah.”


43 posted on 02/24/2009 3:48:55 AM PST by livius
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To: pissant

This bishop should have been sent to Washington DC or NYC. The fact that he is still in Denver is proof positive of his point about the Church today being unwilling to offend the powerful.


44 posted on 02/24/2009 4:31:59 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: pissant

Bookmarking


45 posted on 02/24/2009 4:55:23 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: madprof98
This bishop should have been sent to Washington DC or NYC. The fact that he is still in Denver is proof positive of his point about the Church today being unwilling to offend the powerful.

The smart money says he's in the wings for LA. Have no idea if it's true, but that would make sense in the larger scheme of things. Talk about a viper pit.

46 posted on 02/24/2009 5:21:00 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: XeniaSt

I don’t know how you can claim that he’s more interested in promoting the rights of illegal aliens than in human life issues. He has always been a stalwart defender of human life and a tireless opponent of abortion. Your posts are bunk.

If Archbishop Chaput were more interested in issues like immigration then he would not speak out at all on abortion since Catholics who are “soft” on abortion don’t speak out on the issue.

I don’t know or care who you are but I have to question your motives in trying to tear down someone like Archbishop Chaput.


47 posted on 02/24/2009 5:47:17 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: pissant; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Catholic Ping
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48 posted on 02/24/2009 6:00:17 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: livius

I suspect the Good Bishop’s discernment of Obama and many American fools is dead on.


49 posted on 02/24/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by tioga
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To: tioga

correction Archbishop.


50 posted on 02/24/2009 6:08:45 AM PST by tioga
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