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HR 45 May be More Troubling Than the Average Anti-gun Bill (Frog in Boiling Water Alert)
Gun Owners of America ^ | Mike Hammond

Posted on 02/26/2009 7:53:51 AM PST by Scythian

HR 45 May be More Troubling Than the Average Anti-gun Bill -- Legislation may reflect Obama’s thinking

by Mike Hammond

Those of you who regularly peruse the GOA website know that there are dozens of anti-gun abominations which are introduced as legislation in the Senate and House each Congress. These include, particularly, national gun licensing and broad gun bans.

GOA provides a summary of these bills for the benefit of our members and friends. But we do not focus on most of these bills because they are so extreme that they have no chance of passage. They are cynically introduced so that the Brady Campaign can raise money by threatening anti-gun measures it could never pass.

But the first anti-gun bill of the 111th Congress -– Chicago Congressman Bobby Rush’s H.R. 45 –- has caught the attention of many in the Second Amendment community as something we need to be worried about.

This is because of the extremity of the bill:

* H.R. 45 would require a federal license for all handguns and semiautomatics, including those you currently possess; and

* It would require handgun and semi-auto owners to be thumbprinted at the police station and to sign a certificate that, effectively, the firearm will not be kept in a place where it would be available for the defense of the gun owner’s family.

Pretty scary, huh? But, while this despotic nuttiness makes you wonder why a congressman from the Murder Capital of the Midwest would think that it would help to make the residents of New Hampshire, Alaska, and Wyoming comply with his blood-soaked city’s anti-gun laws, there have been other bills which are just as unconstitutional.

Rather, what makes H.R. 45 troubling is its sponsor and its timing.

Its sponsor is Congressman Bobby Rush –- a scion of the same super-corrupt Chicago political machine that produced disgraced Governor Rod Blagojevich and President Barack Obama.

And as for its timing, it was introduced during the confirmation of Attorney General nominee Eric Holder -- the man who tried exploit the Columbine tragedy in order to pass gun licensing as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton administration.

And make no mistake about it: Licensing is only a way-station to discouraging, arresting, or humiliating gun owners and outlawing guns. Under H.R. 45, for example, the applicant must also make available ALL of his psychiatric records, pass an exam, and pay a fee.

So... are you a veteran who has ever consulted a psychologist or psychiatrist? Guess what? The FBI would soon be examining every confidential statement you have ever made during those consultations.

Private sales of handguns and semi-autos would be outlawed, and reports to the attorney general of all transactions would be required, even when -- as the bill allows -- the AG determines that a state licensing system is sufficiently draconian to substitute for the federal license.

But, you may be thinking, “I’m just a hunter with a deer rifle... surely, none of this is relevant to me”?

Then you should know that, with virtually no exceptions, ALL firearms transactions (including person-to-person private sales of long guns, hunting rifles, shotguns, etc.) would be subject to the same paperwork hassles that are required when buying from a dealer.

In addition, the bill would make it unlawful in virtually all cases to keep any loaded firearm for self-defense. A variety of “crimes by omission” (such as failure to report certain things to the government) would be created.

Criminal penalties of up to ten years and virtually unlimited regulatory and inspection authority would be established.

Combined with the Ammunition Accountability effort to outlaw ammunition in numerous states, this two-pronged attack would soon make gun ownership a thing of the past.

Barack Obama was fond of saying during the campaign that he supported the Second Amendment. And we read of gun buyers who are flocking -– while it is still legal -– to purchase firearms, but who concede that they believed Obama’s assurances and voted for him.

But we may soon see a more horrific, nastier side of Barack Obama... and a capacity to go after his political enemies. And we have to assume that he will view gun owners as just about the most important of those enemies.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; democratcongress; democrats; goa; guncontrol; hr45; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; shallnotneinfringed
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Forgive me if this has been posted
1 posted on 02/26/2009 7:53:51 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian
It would require handgun and semi-auto owners to be thumbprinted at the police station and to sign a certificate that, effectively, the firearm will not be kept in a place where it would be available for the defense of the gun owner’s family.

What the heck?
2 posted on 02/26/2009 7:55:13 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Pretty sure this is dead in committe right now. No co-sponsors, and only one sponsor.


3 posted on 02/26/2009 7:56:52 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST LOSER WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Scythian
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
4 posted on 02/26/2009 7:57:03 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom. I love sarcaism)
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To: Scythian

Good read. Thanks.


5 posted on 02/26/2009 7:57:35 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Scythian
FYI:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.00045:



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H.R.45
Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 1/6/2009)      Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/9/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.


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6 posted on 02/26/2009 7:58:20 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Scythian

Banana clips and tripods make guns look scary. LOL


7 posted on 02/26/2009 7:58:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Scythian

Zero’s way to control the population and weaken even further:
-Takes our money
-Then our power (guns)
-Then our freedom

A modern day Hitler!!

Do not, I repeat do not EVER give up your firearms! i do not intend to...


8 posted on 02/26/2009 8:00:07 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Scythian

Say goodbye to your hunting rifles also. Anything that could possibly penetrate a Kevlar vest. Like 30-30, 30-06, 223, etc.


9 posted on 02/26/2009 8:00:55 AM PST by RC2
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To: mikelets456

Screw BO. That lying stupid POS. I would take Bill Clinton over this idiot.


10 posted on 02/26/2009 8:02:09 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: al baby

Ahhhhh.....but where they are coming from is that the Constitution doesn’t say anything about ammunition. What the idiots don’t get is that a gun means nothing without the ammo.


11 posted on 02/26/2009 8:02:17 AM PST by RC2
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To: cripplecreek

Another bill written by a dem who thinks that a ‘semi-auto’ is a machine gun and if it has a magazine, it is an ‘assault weapon’.


12 posted on 02/26/2009 8:02:43 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Scythian
What the heck?

I think it means you have a right to self defense with a properly registered muzzle loader (safely locked up of course) as long as the powder and ball are kept under lock and key in separate equidistant underground bunkers no less than 1000 yds from the dwelling.
13 posted on 02/26/2009 8:02:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: RC2

The next run will be on reloaders.


14 posted on 02/26/2009 8:03:13 AM PST by mnehring
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To: RC2

But when the word arms as in keep and bear I see it as the whole package most do to. the gun the ammo the whole bloody thing


15 posted on 02/26/2009 8:04:18 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom. I love sarcaism)
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To: RC2

Bee-Bee guns are illegal in NJ!! BTW, I had to get finger printed and purchase a firearms ID card in NJ to buy a shotgun or Rifle. Then you have to get another permit (only good for 90 days) to buy only one handgun per permit.

People, I do not think this will pass, but I did not think other crazy laws would either!


16 posted on 02/26/2009 8:04:21 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Scythian

you are allowed to defend yourself if attacked, as long as you get the attacker to fill out a form first, and you file it with the attorney general.

you got a problem with that?


17 posted on 02/26/2009 8:06:03 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: snowrip

Don’t count on it being dead. it will be slipped into a stimulus kind of emergency bill nobody will have time to read.


18 posted on 02/26/2009 8:06:35 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: mnehrling

A couple years back during the Malvo and Mohammad spree, I heard one of the newsloons on FOX proudly report that semiautomatic weapons are illegal for hunting anyway.


19 posted on 02/26/2009 8:07:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: RC2
What the idiots don’t get is that a gun means nothing without the ammo.

Make no mistake, they understand that perfectly.

20 posted on 02/26/2009 8:07:31 AM PST by antiRepublicrat (Sacred cows make the best hamburger.)
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To: Piquaboy

F*ck Obama. We aren’t giving up anything.

Molon Labe.

LQ


21 posted on 02/26/2009 8:08:08 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: RC2

Vests do not help head shots.


22 posted on 02/26/2009 8:09:28 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: snowrip

“Pretty sure this is dead in committe right now. No co-sponsors, and only one sponsor.”

But how long before it is attached to some Omnibus Bill that our dumb congressmen vote YES for without bothering to read the Bill?


23 posted on 02/26/2009 8:10:05 AM PST by FreeManN (www.ObamaCrimes.info)
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To: LizardQueen

“F*ck Obama. We aren’t giving up anything.

Molon Labe.”

Dittos. I’m too old to be concerned with obtaining the government’s blessing or permission. I’m still young enough to act against tyranny.


24 posted on 02/26/2009 8:10:35 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: LizardQueen

+1 We are the majority!


25 posted on 02/26/2009 8:13:39 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Anarchy! Coming to a country near you.)
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To: al baby

Politicians won’t look at it like we do. They divide and destroy.


26 posted on 02/26/2009 8:13:40 AM PST by RC2
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To: snowrip
"No co-sponsors, and only one sponsor.

Does anyone else see the irony in that "one sponsor" being Bobby Rush - former Black Panther? How many times do you think this guy has used a firearm in the commission of a felony?

27 posted on 02/26/2009 8:15:02 AM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Scythian

The end result of complacency and political inaction by way too many gun owners.


28 posted on 02/26/2009 8:17:20 AM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | Impeach Obama!)
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To: LizardQueen
"We aren’t giving up anything"

Then what will you do?


29 posted on 02/26/2009 8:18:28 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: RC2
Ahhhhh.....but where they are coming from is that the Constitution doesn’t say anything about ammunition. What the idiots don’t get is that a gun means nothing without the ammo.

Remember, to those enemies of the Republic, the Constitution is an obstacle to be circumvented, not the embodiment of the Spirit of these United States.

30 posted on 02/26/2009 8:19:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: LizardQueen

Amen!


31 posted on 02/26/2009 8:19:35 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: cripplecreek
A couple years back during the Malvo and Mohammad spree, I heard one of the newsloons on FOX proudly report that semiautomatic weapons are illegal for hunting anyway.Wow, just wow... I guess when your entire knowledge of firearms comes from Hollywood...
32 posted on 02/26/2009 8:21:10 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Scythian
Forgive me if this has been posted

Forgive you? We should bless you for posting this, even if it is a repeat, to give it the widest dissemination possible.

This MUST BE STOPPED!

33 posted on 02/26/2009 8:21:37 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy. FUBO!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yup.......that is why people need to re-establish the concept that we are a Republic. We can get rid of our government any time we want and re-establish it the way we want it. Our politicians ignore this fact and need to be reminded. It would be tough to do but not impossible.


34 posted on 02/26/2009 8:23:46 AM PST by RC2
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To: xcamel

But look at it this way for a moment. It will take this sort of bill-becomes-law to inspire the 2nd American revolution which will ne necessary to regain our nation and our rights. Sooner or later the radical left will overturn the 2nd amendment, whether directly or by the sleazy means for which these people are best known. Perhaps sooner would be best. For then we’ll know, by the response of true Americans, if the nation is to survive or be surrendered to Hussein and his Marxist buddies. Just a thought.


36 posted on 02/26/2009 8:27:30 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Scythian

Let me go on record to say that I will never obey such an infringement. I will actively work to subvert it should it be given the force of law.


37 posted on 02/26/2009 8:27:50 AM PST by Trod Upon (When it's time to shoot, shoot!)
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To: o_zarkman44

I find it interesting that he has never denied the idea that he is an illegal President. He does ignore all the talk though and never addresses it.


38 posted on 02/26/2009 8:28:45 AM PST by RC2
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To: mnehrling
Bobby Rush, (D-Chicago), knows PRECISELY what a semi-auto is, and what full auto is.

As a founder of the Chicago chapter of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense, (a particularly brutal and effective terror cell who became "politically aware", I.E. 100% Communist), he got a thorough grounding in revolutionary tactics and street war from '60s Maoists, like Charles Ayres, Angela Davis, Bobby Seale, . He just wants white folk disarmed. Even Sheets Byrd has nothing on this bigot.

39 posted on 02/26/2009 8:30:44 AM PST by jonascord (Hey, we have the Constitution. What's to worry about?)
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To: I see my hands

Try to get some people with brains elected to overturn it, of course.

LQ


40 posted on 02/26/2009 8:32:55 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: LizardQueen
That's really nothing. If they demand your gun then you'll tell them to hold on because you have to campaign for someone? It's not a game.

41 posted on 02/26/2009 8:37:08 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Oldpuppymax

This bill is “Deader than Kelsey’s Nuts”


42 posted on 02/26/2009 8:37:57 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Scythian
What we need to do is make an example of one of these pricks and impeach them. They took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not destroy it. My vote would be Eric Holder. Remove him and dare the next guy to bring up gun control. The “Fairness Doctrine” gets radio heads all worked up, but if we give up one, we might as well rip up the whole thing.
43 posted on 02/26/2009 8:38:28 AM PST by chuckles
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To: snowrip

Thank you for posting that comment.
I check the NRA website when something like this comes up, and I can only hope they, and you, are correct.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4329


44 posted on 02/26/2009 8:49:01 AM PST by daylilly
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To: mnehrling
The next run will be on reloaders.

That is already underway in many state legislatures. There are bills pending that seek to "code" any new ammo made, in order to track it, and to destroy any old, unfired ammo. The one in MO would call for all unused, uncoded ammo to be destroyed by July 1, 2010.

The net effect of this would be that reloading would become illegal, because the rounds are not properly coded, for tracking.

45 posted on 02/26/2009 8:55:57 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: RC2

“..What the idiots don’t get is that a gun means nothing without the ammo...”

Don’t kid yourself...they get it. They get it all too well.

They know EXACTLY what they’re trying to do.


46 posted on 02/26/2009 9:02:24 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: NFHale

I should have clarified......the politicians get it, the people aren’t paying attention to what’s going on.


47 posted on 02/26/2009 9:04:54 AM PST by RC2
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To: NFHale

You are correct. I am having trouble finding 9mm 115 Gr ammo!
Also, 30-06 is hard to find as well. This is getting nuts!

Funny, a year ago 200 rounds of 9mm was plenty to have in the cabinet. Now that is not enough!


48 posted on 02/26/2009 9:05:11 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Scythian

And, it’s fair to assume that the criminals will comply...the current criminals; not the ones created by passage of this tripe...(sarc off)


49 posted on 02/26/2009 9:10:35 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: chuckles; Scythian; AngryJawa
What we need to do is make an example of one of these pricks and impeach them.

What we need to do is make an example of one of these pricks and impeach IMPALE them.

There! Fixed it!

Henry Bowman would be so proud.

50 posted on 02/26/2009 9:14:08 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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