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To: SuziQ
The push for governments to 'do something right now' about human caused global warming is being orchestrated by people who are looking for a power grab, pure and simple.

Your reply came through after I decided to withdraw from further discussion on the issue. So I'll reply to you, succinctly:

From the scientific perspective, and not the political one: the progressive climate changes due to anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentration increase in the atmosphere are happening; and the future consequences, even just the realistic ones (not the really bad ones) are profoundly disturbing. No amount of what I could try to tell you here could convince you of that. And if you derive your perspectives from conservative sources, you won't ever get the full picture of what could happen.

I apologize that in a fit of pique I decided to make some comments. I shouldn't have done it. There's just too much disinformation for one person to try to address.

Hope you keep enjoying the geology pictures.

75 posted on 02/28/2009 8:37:52 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
the progressive climate changes due to anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentration increase in the atmosphere are happening; and the future consequences, even just the realistic ones (not the really bad ones) are profoundly disturbing. No amount of what I could try to tell you here could convince you of that.

Since this is your opus, I'll continue the traditional Freeper bashing. Your return here is simply another example of cap-and-trade type indulgence selling. You figure that giving a few Freepers a science lesson (a good thing) is a worthy repentance for your sin of supporting socialism in the form of pseudo-scientific climate alarmism. In previous, more detailed posts you would point out that the probabilities of most of the alarmist scenarios are actually quite low but we need to do something just in case.

What you failed to factor in was that socialists who used you and your alarmism for their own purposes have a very high probability scenario: they point the gun at your head and then pull the trigger and your blood and brains get splattered on the wall. Of course with the vast majority of people, there is no need to resort to such graphic demonstrations of force, they capitulate or pretend to and bide their time. Quislings like yourself may feel immune from such outcomes based on your early capitulation. But history always shows otherwise.

79 posted on 02/28/2009 9:29:57 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: cogitator
I simply don't believe that humans have the capacity to create the extreme climate changes that the earth has experienced in the past. I'm not even convinced we have the ability to make even small changes in the overall climate. I've concluded that based on evidence from many sources, including ice core data, temperature records, geological data from the sea bed, and the study of the movements of the sun and planets through the Milky Way Galaxy.

Natural forces have much more of an influence on earth's climate than any amount of CO2 or other 'greenhouse gas' we might put into the atmosphere.

84 posted on 02/28/2009 10:17:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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