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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, The Exploiters and the Exploited
A Publius Essay | 28 February 2009 | Publius

Posted on 02/28/2009 7:49:58 AM PST by Publius

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To: Billthedrill

Well written.


161 posted on 03/01/2009 6:39:43 PM PST by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: whodathunkit

LOL!


162 posted on 03/01/2009 7:02:09 PM PST by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: stylin_geek

Thank you for the clarification. I don’t blame the MSM for Obama’s election, however, I believe that the MSM did not thoroughly investigate him, and had they done so, the outcome may have been different.

McCain did not help his cause, and FRankly, I am embarrassed that he got the nomination.

HST, the Republicans missed a golden opportunity in 1994 to defeat LIEberalism, and as you stated, spent themselves out of office.

Perhaps Obama’s election will cause a true conservative party?


163 posted on 03/01/2009 7:10:40 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

I’m expecting the Republicans to purge themselves of the Olympia Snowe’s and Susan Collins.

Republicans allowed themselves to compromise too much in order to stay in power. Power became the goal, rather than taking care of the nation.


164 posted on 03/01/2009 7:14:27 PM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: stylin_geek

Roger that!

This will be an expensive lesson for the American people — perhaps in a few years the American people will really understand the all too real dangers of the LIEberal mentality and will have purged those who hold such notions FRom the body politic?

“Power became the goal, rather than taking care of the nation.” [And, I might add, preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution.]

Just so! In AS, Rand warns us of the dangers of that notion.

One wonders how she was so prescient in that respect?


165 posted on 03/02/2009 4:59:37 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: ml/nj

Research being different from development.


166 posted on 03/02/2009 5:01:52 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: stylin_geek
What I meant is that Republicans need to avoid blaming MSM for Obama.

What...actually face reality? HORRORS!

167 posted on 03/02/2009 5:06:11 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: whodathunkit

Rand was deadly accurate when it comes to foretelling the consequences of government and business getting in bed together. I’ve seen “Atlas Shrugged” called “cartoonish and shallow” but, if AS is cartoonish, what does that make our current society, which resembles AS so well?


168 posted on 03/02/2009 7:17:14 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: Taxman

My concern is that much of the “stimulus” spending is actually designed to keep the libs in power. Even if we do have a solid conservative Republican party, if the media, the schools, the census redistricting, and the perpetuation of the “culture of gimme” are stacking the deck in their favor, we will still lose elections.


169 posted on 03/02/2009 8:09:41 AM PST by Savagemom (Educational Maverick (at least while homeschooling is still legal))
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To: Savagemom

I’ll be referring to the LIEberals as looters in the future.

And, you are correct — the “stimulus” is to stimulate keeping the looters in power.

We have a tough road ahead of us.


170 posted on 03/02/2009 11:13:01 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Publius
Is there anything disturbing about the Mayor of New York wanting the current date displayed on a large calendar mounted on a skyscraper? What are the implications of this? -- Publius

Liberals think that people are too stupid to think for themselves and take responsibility for knowing what the date is. -- rlmorel

Aside from the fact that it's done with the public money I don't find it any more paternalistic than a time/date/temperature sign on the side of the bank. To me it's more symbolic of a fiddling-while-Rome-burns preoccupation with trivia when society is running off the rails (literally in AS's case).

What the government should be saying to themselves is "Nothing works. People who make things work are nowhere to be found. Is this the result of something we did and if so we'd better get about un-doing it post haste. If, on the other hand, this problem isn't due to something we did, we better leave well enough alone because it would be arrogant to think we can make it better. We work for the government so it's a given that anything we do will make the problem worse, which is why we're government employees instead of having actual jobs."

Now I realize that you all are more familiar with Rand and with AS than I, and whatever happens to the calendar in future chapters may have tipped you off to the motives that led to its creation, but that was the way it seemed to me at first blush.

171 posted on 03/02/2009 4:23:48 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rlmorel

Oops. Meant to include you in the to: for my last post. Publius had some nice things to say about the line I quoted.


172 posted on 03/02/2009 4:24:57 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
Er, the line of yours that I posted.
173 posted on 03/02/2009 4:25:29 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
We work for the government so it's a given that anything we do will make the problem worse, which is why we're government employees instead of having actual jobs.

That would make a great tag line if it were shorter.

Aside from the fact that it's done with the public money I don't find it any more paternalistic than a time/date/temperature sign on the side of the bank.

If the display showed date, time and temperature, I would agree with you. But it's done with public money at the Mayor of New York's orders, and it only shows the date and nothing else. That makes me agree with "rlmorel" that there is the whiff of paternalism there. A caldendar display leaving out time and temperature is like a freeway bridge that constricts to two lanes. It's typical of government and not up to the job.

174 posted on 03/02/2009 4:36:36 PM PST by Publius (The Quadri-Metallic Standard: Gold and silver for commerce, lead and brass for protection.)
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To: Still Thinking

Most gracious of you.

It has bothered me that I have missed this excellent thread due to work over the last two months...I am going to try to re-engage if I can.

I began re-reading “The Road to Serfdom” again, and boy, it is hitting me just as powerfully as “Atlas Shrugged”. More so, because it shows where we could be going.


175 posted on 03/02/2009 4:48:05 PM PST by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Publius
If the display showed date, time and temperature, I would agree with you. But it's done with public money at the Mayor of New York's orders, and it only shows the date and nothing else. That makes me agree with "rlmorel" that there is the whiff of paternalism there. A caldendar display leaving out time and temperature is like a freeway bridge that constricts to two lanes. It's typical of government and not up to the job.

Interesting take. I admit that to an extent the absence of time and date for some reason makes me lean a little more towards your interpretation.

176 posted on 03/02/2009 4:59:40 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
Erps. Time and temperature, damminit. Can you tell it's been a loooong day?
177 posted on 03/02/2009 5:01:32 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rlmorel

“I began re-reading “The Road to Serfdom” again, and boy, it is hitting me just as powerfully as “Atlas Shrugged”. More so, because it shows where we could be going.”

And Hayek was describing what had ALREADY HAPPENED, so it wasn’t just blind supposition.

Kirk


178 posted on 03/02/2009 6:42:29 PM PST by woodnboats
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To: Publius
That would make a great tag line if it were shorter.

How about "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach, administrate. Those that can't administrate, have gubmint jobs."

179 posted on 03/02/2009 7:20:20 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

LOL !!!!


180 posted on 03/02/2009 7:24:02 PM PST by Publius (The Quadri-Metallic Standard: Gold and silver for commerce, lead and brass for protection.)
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