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[Longhair_and_Leather]

So where does the ethics in ethical humanism come from? Without a fixed standard, what keeps it from changing? And who is to say that standard is right? Who determines that standard? Without a Supreme, omniscient being, there cannot be a fixed standard.

[wtc911]

So where does the ethics in ethical humanism come from? Without a fixed standard, what keeps it from changing? And who is to say that standard is right? Who determines that standard? Without a Supreme, omniscient being, there cannot be a fixed standard.

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I understand you but I still think that the world, that mankind is far more complex than you suggest, for better or worse.

You say that; "Without a Supreme, omniscient being, there cannot be a fixed standard."

The truth is that there are deity-based belief systems each with millions of followers across continents and centuries that disagree on what the fixed standard should be. In fact they have frequently gone to war with each other specifically because one standard based on the teachings of one "supreme, omniscient being" so conflicted with the other.

Conversely, there have been humanist movements that strenuously deny the existence of any God but whhich have created extremely ethical societal segments. To coin a phrase...they are good for goodness' sake.

[Longhair_and_Leather]

Those many beliefs therefore are teaching something not true, since there cannot be contradicting fixed standards. There can only be one truth, and one truth-giver. That is the one to be followed.

About those humanist movements--they have done far more destruction than religious ones, particularly in recent history. Communism, anyone?

[wtc911]

Communism a humanist movement?

Have a nice night, there's no point in going further.

[Longhair_and_Leather]

Russia, China, Cuba, East Germany....135 million dead...Yeah, they’re really well-known for their religious movements. Nice try.

[wtc911]

The problem is that you obviously have no accurate knowledge of what ethical humanism is. If you did then you would know that it has nothing to do with communism or fascism. It is equally obvious that you equate any philosophy that doesn't require a deity as its basic tenet with communism.

That is ignorance and not worth further discussion.

[Longhair_and_Leather]

Ah, yes, one of the common charges of the Left--accuse the other side of the behavior in which you are engaged.

That's why you choose not to discuss. Fine with me. I got better things to do.