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To: cothrige
but democracy is not a Christian value.

Democracy is not an American value either, this is a Republic.

The idea that we cannot legislate moral behavior is utter nonsense, we regulate morality now, just not some of the more destructive ones.

You are deeply confused about you own position in relation to mine. The government has taken positive steps to undermine moral behavior in this country, they use the same methods a drug dealer does.

The notion that what goes on in your neighbors house is none of you business, is head in the sand, self delusion.

I am 70 years old, I know what a moral society looked like, do you?

36 posted on 03/03/2009 3:14:35 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Obama does it by consent.)
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To: itsahoot
Democracy is not an American value either, this is a Republic.

That is irrelevant. The issue is what you call "libertarian values." If you are talking about small government, free market economics, and personal freedom, then sure. Anything else may be a value of a libertarian, but not a libertarian value. Libertarianism is what it is, and nothing more. Don't try to misdirect. The fact is you are defining libertarianism with a broad brush which serves your purposes but is not accurate. That is fact.

The idea that we cannot legislate moral behavior is utter nonsense, we regulate morality now, just not some of the more destructive ones.

Here are the facts. I have no concern for legislating morality. Federally there is absolutely no Constitutional support for it. Congress has no such power since the tenth amendment retains it to the states and the people. And if my state wants to outlaw sodomy or try to enforce the missionary position then we can deal with that then. But, in any case, putting a homosexual in prison, where he has unlimited access to homosexual sex acts, only ever seems to cost taxpayers massive amounts of money and increases the amount of gay sex happening at any given moment. Just how do you call that moral? Me, I don't care for it.

The notion that what goes on in your neighbors house is none of you business, is head in the sand, self delusion.

Is it? Then how exactly do you keep track of what your neighbour is doing right now? Have you installed a camera? Or are you one of those who thinks that what is unacceptable when done privately is suddenly okay if done by majority rule? Are you waiting for Big Brother to spy on your neighbour so they can send him away for self abuse, autoeroticism or some such? How exactly does the sex life of your neighbour affect you? How is your point of view actually morally superior to mine? I think I will worry about the beam in my eye, and leave other people's specks to themselves.

38 posted on 03/03/2009 3:57:37 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: itsahoot
I am 70 years old, I know what a moral society looked like

I doubt that.

55 posted on 03/04/2009 10:52:54 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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