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To: Kansas58; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser; Salvation; NYer; ..
True
But Lincoln used strategy.
Lincoln took steps towards his goal.
Lincoln often worked with those who did not share his views, but did not care as much about the issue.

NO, Lincoln followed the LAW. Lincoln COULD NOT apply the Emancipation Proclamation to states that were not in rebellion.

The radical prolifers want a “Human Life Amendment” making all abortion illegal, nationwide.

Strange that you would describe the belief that abortion should be abolished as "radical".

I suppose you prefer a more "moderate" approach. Are you a proponent of laws that say, "You must do X, Y and Z, and then you can go ahead and kill the baby"?

There is nothing at all wrong or immoral about doing the best we can, today, and coming back tomorrow to fight for more.

And for Brownback, "the best he can, today" IS NOT supporting a radical abortionist to be Secretary of HHS. If Sebelius was nominated for a position where she could not affect abortion policy (say Secretary of the Interior) it would be different, but the FACT is that Sebelius will now be in a position to spread her militant abortionism nationwide.

138 posted on 03/05/2009 7:23:43 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Nice try.
You are not accurate, any any of your points.

Lincoln could have pushed for an emancipation of slaves in the loyal states, at the time of the Emancipation Proclamation. He did not.

I did not, ever, say that I oppose the goal of a Human Life Amendment. I stated that the radicals in the prolife movement treat almost anything short of a “no exceptions, no compromise” (no progress) approach to a Human Life Amendment as treason to the cause. I gave examples: 1.) the radicals refused to support Parental Consent, in Kansas, and actually lobbied against it, saying “no one can give consent” (even though ALL had supporting Parental Consent in other states) 2.) The radicals ripped Senator Orin Hatch apart when Hatch came up with a simple bill that would have ended most abortions. It did not stop ALL abortions so ALL opposed it. 3.) The radicals called the late Gov. Joan Finney a “traitor” because she signed a “compromise” abortion regulation bill. (George Tiller is now in criminal court, due to the bill that Finney signed.)

I have seen the pious, judgmental, “my way or the highway” type prolifers hand Tiller more victories than you can imagine. I support their goals, but many have a tendency to form circular firing squads, to eat their own. Why does Tiller make so much money? Why is Tiller so famous? Because most other states DO regulate abortion much more than we regulate abortion, in Kansas. We would have MORE abortion regulations if people like you would quit calling politicians, who try to regulate abortions, “traitors” for not doing exactly what you want! Think it through. Why do YOU think Tiller has easy laws to deal with, in Kansas, compared to the laws he would deal with in New York State or Massachusetts?

Hint: The prolife groups in those states were pragmatic, and went for the best legislation they could hope for. In Kansas, however, Right to Life of Kansas and George Tiller have been on the same side of legislative issues, more than once!

The National Right to Life Committee will, I am sure, strongly support Brownback for Governor of Kansas. (Right to Life of Kansas broke away from the NRLC long ago) I will listen to NRLC and KFL. They are the grown ups in this fight.

Sebelius, in Kansas, was protected by the local media. She is NOT ready for prime time. I think she will self destruct in this position. Her views are identical to the views of just about every Democrat in Congress. We will not get anyone who is less radical than Sebelius.

142 posted on 03/05/2009 7:43:36 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: wagglebee

“And for Brownback, “the best he can, today” IS NOT supporting a radical abortionist to be Secretary of HHS. If Sebelius was nominated for a position where she could not affect abortion policy (say Secretary of the Interior) it would be different, but the FACT is that Sebelius will now be in a position to spread her militant abortionism nationwide.”

Well stated!

Laura Ingraham really hammered Brownback and Pat Roberts? for congratulating Sebelius on the nomination.


183 posted on 03/06/2009 7:29:20 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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