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To: agere_contra; Jenny Hatch
Just a note that is important, focusing on this can also work against you, causing undue paranoia and divisions as people try to root out 'agent provocateurs'. Agere's post reminded me of this with the comment on 3...2...1.. (not saying this was intentional, it only triggered the thought..) Sometimes the seed of paranoia about the Delphi Technique can create as many divisions.. imagine if everyone suddenly went on a mission looking for it and calling anyone out on it who didn't fall in lock step with the OP. Oh, you are just an agent provocateur using the Delphi Technique.. you troll..zot...
17 posted on 03/06/2009 7:31:42 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

Actually, I’ve used the “Yawn” post before... but it was more of a response to the article posted than to the poster.


22 posted on 03/06/2009 7:43:02 AM PST by ponygirl ("It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." -T. Jefferson)
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To: mnehrling

3... 2 ... 1... until mnehrling finds some way to blow my posts out of the water :0)

Seriously, good point about paranoia, well made.

I doubt that DT as written could be successfully used on this forum. We DO get shills (classic builders of fake consensus), but I believe this Forum is well armored against them. This is because FReepers instinctively refer to an external touchstone on most issues (e.g the Constitution, the Bible, scientific papers, sourced links and so on).

But we do get dishonest techniques - ad hominem attacks, and prior constraint of debate. They are always obvious (and annoying) when used - no secret mind techniques, no possible cause for paranoia.

With respect however, I can’t agree that it could ever be a good idea to use manufactured ‘consensus’ to get things going the way one wants. Doing this must surely pose a moral hazard?

By which I mean: it’s not bad just because it’s dishonest, but also because in the end you would end up relying on slippery group dynamics rather than having and holding good ideas.

Better to make sure one’s arguments are good, one’s position is sound: train yourself to stand your ground and repeat the truth. This has got to be better strategy.

(Disclaimer: I have no experience in moving groups either with truth or trickery)


31 posted on 03/06/2009 7:54:32 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: mnehring

It might be a valid question at an event how-ever to come right out and ask...”Are we working towards a goal you and your group have predetirmined is correct...I thought we were here to simply air our grievances and hear your proposals about the sewer line at “anyplace” road?


122 posted on 08/07/2009 6:07:34 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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