Posted on 03/09/2009 2:58:23 PM PDT by Salvation
Right to Life Ping!
“Research with 100% Failure Rate”
Yeah, but it’s OK, because they’re killing babies, and that’s a liberal cause.
Paying off the Democrat voters again!
Apparently, he knows as much about science and medical research as the economy.
**Apparently, he knows as much about science and medical research as the economy.**
LOL! So true!
More taxpayer funds down a rathole.
I don't care if it's a 100% Succeess Rate - it's still an abomination.
It was just pointed out to me today by an employee that the missile defense shield was a failure too, but with enough research it started to show progress.
“Bush can waste money on that, this is REAL science that helps people.”
Ever sat back, looked around come to the conclusion that you have to work with some real idiots?
We simply MUST be allowed to destroy humans. IF we don’t, people might start thinking there’s something intrinsically important about them.
Is there really anything that 0 backs that doesn’t have a 100% failure rate?
Abortion and stem cell research excede 9/11’s death toll EVERY DAY.
0bama & Co = domestic terrorists
Obama is intent on driving us over the cliff on every front.
Embryonics have been very successful...at creating tumors.
Yes, but the left ants it therefore Obama gives it to them. the left also believes in Global warming, hence Cap and Trade tax.
Just look around, Obama is predictable in some things.
My local tv station had a poll asking if we are FOR stem cell research. I called them and told them in the future call it EMBRYONIC stem cell research, because prolifers are not against adult stem cell research. The poll was 70% FOR stem cells, btw.
I think we ought to call talk shows and/or write letters to the editor to emphasize that there is a difference, plus the ETHICAL one actually WORKS!
Most republicans anymore have lost sight of the fact that the control of the social agenda will guide the fiscal agenda.
The reason they keep losing is because they have abandoned any desire to stand up on the social agenda regarding morality or protection of the family.
Democrats have never, and have put foremost, the social agenda, in the wrong way, I might add. But at least they address it. The GOP is too weak to address and stand up for anything other than money. That is why they are losing. They mean nothing other than money. Everything else they concede on. Sorry GOP, all of this goes hand in hand. Liberal social policy begets bigger government and the abscence of morality. If you don’t believe it, just take a look at what is happening now.
We need to grow up and get a set.
It comes from the secularist ideology that we “learn” in govschool.
Since when does a conservative surrender to that? I am tired of losing America. Are they all that stupid now?
Obama HATES children. How in hell he ever had two of is own is a mystery.

It was like a scene from The Omen III: The Final Conflict when he announced the funding for stem cell research and demonic cheering broke out among the mesmerized Obammunist followers. They sounded possessed. Or like maniacal girls at a Jonas Brothers concert. It was frightening. Cheering, clapping, and screaming with delight....Howling.
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Yet he wants to socialize healthcare and put the hammer on pharma, so there’ll be no funds for R&D and the patient wouldn’t be able to get the cure/treatment through his plan anyway... if ESRC worked.
It’s all about death.
You better believe grandmas and those ‘who don’t contribute in a positive way (their/doctors determination), will get the merciful death Schiavo did... thirteen days worth.
**it’s still an abomination.**
Absolutely!
Hope your remarks were sarcasm!
I saw something on that somewhere!
This usurper destroys everything he touches...the economy, human life, the Constitution...he’s a wrecking machine and he hates America. Just sayin’....
What gives Zero the right to make these decisions?
Didn’t Bush turn this eight years ago by announcing that there would be no more embryonic stem cell research? Or is my memory failing me?
Private funding is and has been permitted.
And so the slide continues.
See you in the catacombs.
No. He said no federal funding of it.
Not so much sarcasm, as an effort to state the opposition’s POV. Really, I think that’s what it comes down to. It can’t be that embryonic stem cell research is all that important; other developments suggest it’s a dead end, uh, so to speak.
But they cannot allow any law that suggests that a human embryo has civil rights, because it might impinge on a woman’s right to commit infanticide. The mere possibility of such an impingement is intolerable to them.
My latest theory is that it all comes out of the so-called scientific thinking of the 19th century (the same thinking that justified racism and slavery) and utilitarianism, a movement which trashed education by suggesting that the goal of education is NOT to make free adults but to make economically contributing adults.
Humans, in this view, are only worth what others think they are worth — the value theory of economics applied to embryos, fetuses, and humans in general.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: If they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby.
Obama is a very sick man spiritually and we need to pray for his conversion and for our country.

Adult Stem Cells |
Embryonic Stem Cells |
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Excellent list!

Response: Good research respects both scientific and ethical standards. iPSC research meets every mark of good science and has the following ethical advantages: it does not destroy human embryos; it does not use human oocytes; and it does not alienate a large part of the countrys citizens by engaging in research that they find deeply immoral.
Response: Direct reprogramming to create iPSCs provides a scientifically feasible and promising alternative to research that requires destroying human embryos. Even President Clintons bioethics commission concluded that embryo destruction posed a moral problem and was justifiable only if there were no alternatives.
In our judgment, the derivation of stem cells from embryos remaining following infertility treatments is justifiable only if no less morally problematic alternatives are available for advancing the research. But as we have noted, ES cells from embryos appear to be different in scientifically important ways from AS cells and also appear to offer greater promise of therapeutic breakthroughs. The claim that there are alternatives to using stem cells derived from embryos is not, at the present time, supported scientifically. We recognize, however, that this is a matter that must be revisited continually as science advances.
- National Bioethics Advisory Commission, Ethical Issues in Human Stem Cell Research (Sept. 1999), Volume I, p. 53 (boldface added).
Response: Yes, but this does not require cloning or destroying human embryos to make more hESC lines. At least 21 viable lines of human embryonic stem cells are available for federally funded research to make these comparisons. The currently eligible and available cell lines are listed here: http://stemcells.nih.gov/research/registry/eligibilityCriteria.asp.
Furthermore, the primate system permits the best in-depth platform for comparative studies. From rhesus macaque monkeys, primate pluripotent stem cells are available from all conceivable sources: IVF embryos, naturally conceived embryos (removed from the Fallopian tube after fertilization), SCNT-cloned embryos, parthenoids and soon iPS cells.
Response: Dr. James Thomson, the first scientist ever to isolate, culture and characterize human embryonic stem cells in 1998, and author of one of the two iPSC studies, found that iPS cells meet the defining criteria for embryonic stem cells with the significant exception that the iPS cells are not derived from embryos.
Mouse iPSCs have passed the strictest possible scientific tests for being functional equivalents of mouse ESCs. Tests for human cells are more limited, but human iPSCs have met all the available criteria for being the functional equivalent of hESCs. This can be established with greater certainty through comparisons with the existing hESC lines eligible for federal funding, which have been used in the vast majority of human ESC studies throughout the world.
Response: There are at least three significant reasons why iPSCs are better for RESEARCH:
Response: Currently, there are no clinical trials for either hESCs or iPSCs, because several problems remain to be overcome in terms of safety (cancer risk) and efficacy (ability to differentiate into useful cell types). However, if these obstacles can be overcome, there are at least two significant reasons why iPSCs may be better for THERAPIES:
Response: Multiple scientific studies show that all pluripotent cells, including hESCs, form tumors (teratomas) and can convert to cancer cells. The risk of tumor formation may, at this time, be higher in iPSCs than in embryo-derived stem cells because the genes used for reprogramming remain inserted in the cell. However, leading stem cell biologists are optimistic that they can modify the iPS technique to eliminate any added risk of tumor formation. Dr. Douglas Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute, predicts this problem will be solved quickly, maybe within a year or so (AP, 22 November 2007), also noting: Anyone who is going to suggest that it wont work is wrong (New York Times, 21 November, 2007). Rudolf Jaenisch, a leading stem cell researcher at the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts concurs, stating: I don't think it is a big hurdle (Washington Post, 21 November 2007).
The risk of tumor formation that is NOT due to the reprogramming procedure but common to all pluripotent stem cells can theoretically be addressed by converting pluripotent stem cells into mature cells that do not form tumors and can be transplanted safely to patients. It is important to understand that the efficient conversion of pluripotent stem cells to transplantable cells useful in the clinic is not yet possible for any human cell type, although much progress has been made. Thus, no immediate therapies should be expected from human pluripotent stem cells, either embryo derived or iPSC.
For more information:
Dr. Maureen L. Condic, Associate Professor, Neurobiology and Anatomy, University of Utah School of Medicine: mlcondic@neuro.utah.edu.
Provided by the Bioethics Defense Fund, www.bdfund.org, and the Westchester Institute for Ethics & the Human Person, www.westchesterinstitute.net.
Thanks for both of these!
Funny how things work. Kill innocent human life in the quest to create a cure, and get death in the form of cancer.
Good one.
Wow! This needs to have its own thread!
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