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Michael Ledeen: WE'RE All FASCISTS NOW
pajamasmedia.com ^ | February 12th and 14th, 2009 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 03/10/2009 3:59:57 AM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: facist; obama; socialist
Thank you, Michael Ledeen.
1 posted on 03/10/2009 3:59:57 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest

Fascism, smashism. Anybody who indulges in quibbling and tweaking over the labels, is not helping. Most people get no further than a paragraph or two.
Not socialism. Uh, okay!
If the average American understands this relationship of govt to economy as “socialism,” let him.
Keep your nuances about creeping socialism vs galloping fascism vs totalitarian democracy vs communism.
A rose is a rose.


2 posted on 03/10/2009 4:24:27 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: Yosemitest

...We are all Kenyans now...


3 posted on 03/10/2009 4:40:21 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

It sounds similar to this ...
No servant can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other.


4 posted on 03/10/2009 4:41:04 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

There IS a distinct advantage to the “fascist” label, however.

Did you hear how 0bama was so tweaked about the insinuation that his policies were being labeled “socialist” that he CALLED the newspaper BACK to “clarify further” and blame Bush?

And I know many “liberals” that really get mad when you refer to their ideology as “socialist”.

Well, take that... discomfort times about 1000 when you explain how their policies are NOT, indeed, “socialist”, but ARE, indeed FASCIST.

You’ll see their heads pop off. They have for decades referred to the right as the natural ideological heirs of Hitler himself, that any truth that THEY are, in truth, the fascists, causes them to go into a spittle flecked rage.


5 posted on 03/10/2009 4:51:01 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Yosemitest
There are no secret police, no concentration camps, and no torture. “The nature of despotic power in democratic ages is not to be fierce or cruel, but minute and meddling.”

Sounds benign but is not, all forms of totalitarianism are by nature brutal. It is impossible to maintain power over time without it. That is why it is so evil. It is EVIL by nature. Any attempt to excuse it is naieve.

6 posted on 03/10/2009 5:01:14 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: dogcaller

Kenyan Facists......


7 posted on 03/10/2009 5:07:18 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: MrB

As I mentioned, a rose is a rose. However, there is a problem with the label “fascism.” It’s threadbare. Overuse has rendered it useless.
Fascist is anything and everything. Laws against pot, tax on cigs, laws against porn, zoning laws, bank nationalization, the SEC, the income tax, the ban on prayer in school, and any other law that chaps your hide.
Ledeen said not one in a thousand knows what it was. Right, and not one in ten thousand knows what Peron’s industrialism was either. Nor cares.
Socialism, as a term, is the best label for what’s going on today, because, first of all, everyone understands what is meant by it. It carries no connotation of geographic or temporal specificity, such as nazism or fascism or communism holds in the minds of the average public school product.
Any clever fellow can refute a claim of fascism by proving that we’re not Mussolini’s Italy in this or that respect, and arming people with a concept (”fascism”) from which they are easily intellectually disarmed is a disservice.
Besides, it’s all socialism. Ledeen should quit being such a wine taster about it.


8 posted on 03/10/2009 5:08:07 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: MrB
I know many “liberals” that really get mad when you refer to their ideology as “socialist”

There you have it. They get mad because they can't deny that. They can easily deny they're fascists, by identifying Mussolini's Italy and demonstrating all sorts of essential contrasts to our time and place.

But they ARE socialists, many of them actually have studied it, and endorse it plainly. It's a lot harder to deny, distort or conceal. Ergo, they get really mad.

9 posted on 03/10/2009 5:13:35 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

On the flipside,

if you DON’T want to cause a leftist to get their back up right away,

you can use the generic term “collectivist” to start the conversation, then lead into the fact that no collectivism is done voluntarily, but must be done by force, hence it invariably becomes socialism and eventually outright communism.

I have, however, had conversations with someone that did everything she could to dance around the fact that taxes are collected at gunpoint. Harry Reid recently that claimed that our tax system is voluntary - another person trying to avoid the reality that government is FORCE, nothing else, and that policies and laws are backed by the threat of the legal use of deadly force for non-compliance.


10 posted on 03/10/2009 5:42:24 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: dogcaller
No, only Barack Hussein Obama II is Kenyan, not the rest of us.

Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

11 posted on 03/10/2009 6:04:01 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
Has the sign

Kenyan, Go Home!

showed up at any rallies yet?

12 posted on 03/10/2009 6:05:25 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB
I don't know.

But I'd like to see this one, show up.


13 posted on 03/10/2009 6:08:00 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I disagree. It's quite accurate.

14 posted on 03/10/2009 6:53:23 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Go ahead, and try it, but the article is clear.
Sounds like to me,Tocqueville was right when he said...


15 posted on 03/10/2009 7:14:46 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

The problem with fascism is that nobody knows exactly what it means today. Most know that we defeated fascism in WWII. They do not see the parallels with what is happening today and yesterday, mainly, because no one studies history past “dude, it was hot today.” “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg is one of the best comparison between modern liberalism and fascism. Liberals have taken over the name Liberal and consigned the previous definition to the name Conservative and made it sound bad. Liberal thinking a century ago is what conservative thinking is today, rule of law, liberty, freedom and responsibility.

I prefer to call Democrats Bolshecrats, because, they are run by a minority running rough shod over the majority. No one can possibly say that Pelosi is a good Speaker of the House. They problem I have is there are precious few who have any idea what a Bolshevik was. We need to apply a new term to what they are doing. Nannyism would fit, but, probably won’t resonate.


16 posted on 03/10/2009 8:06:06 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Never retreat in the War Against Kenyan Usurpation.)
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To: Yosemitest

17 posted on 03/10/2009 8:38:12 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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