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Does GM's Volt Make Sense?
Technology Review (MIT) ^ | 4 Mar 2009 | Kevin Bullis

Posted on 03/10/2009 6:05:49 AM PDT by docbnj

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To: docbnj

Wait until Obozo increases the cost of electricity by 500%. LOL!


21 posted on 03/10/2009 6:23:12 AM PDT by pabianice
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22 posted on 03/10/2009 6:23:55 AM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: docbnj
[GM VP Lauccckner] says that the study should have accounted for the tax credits for plug-in hybrids available through the stimulus bill.

Got it.
It makes sense if the government (the people) subsidize this turd.
23 posted on 03/10/2009 6:24:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: mylife
When it costs 20K and has a 400 mi range on a 5 min charge for 40 bucks, it will make sense.

If you do the math it doesn't cost much to charge it.

220vRMS X 20 A = 1.640 K-W

(1.640 K-W) X (8 hour charge time) X ($.10/K-W-Hour) = $1.32 to charge it, Not bad.

24 posted on 03/10/2009 6:25:00 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: pabianice
Wait until Obozo increases the cost of electricity by 500%.

Hey! That will make wind and Solar viable price wise!

25 posted on 03/10/2009 6:25:42 AM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: central_va

8 hr charge time? 40 mi range?

Feel free to buy one. Not me.


26 posted on 03/10/2009 6:26:47 AM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: docbnj

Apparently the Prius doesn’t make sense anymore either. Sales have plummeted while the sales of trucks and SUVs has risen slightly.


27 posted on 03/10/2009 6:27:20 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: mylife

A former student of mine, after graduation, was working on that thing. When I was in town, he invited me over for a test drive. Turns out we couldn’t leave the parking lot because “it’s already been driven today, needs to recharge, and we don’t want to get stranded”.

At least a plug-in hybrid can be gassed up when the battery is down.


28 posted on 03/10/2009 6:29:20 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

a “green car” needs to be built from alloys, plastics, and chemicals.

They should be made with plywood and waxed paper. The batteries could be made from pickle buckets.

Except for the power plant, this pretty well describes the Yugo.


29 posted on 03/10/2009 6:29:39 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Heyup


30 posted on 03/10/2009 6:30:13 AM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: docbnj
'Does GM's Volt Make Sense?'
Uh .. No (duh).

Plugging your car in every night to charge the battery will give you a $6,000 monthly electric bill and after two months break the electric meter from over use, it would spin like a top on LSD. (semi kidding) But 'series', I'm in IL and my electric bill would be ridiculously high and I'm pretty sure in states like CA and NY it would be too.

So again NO and with a big DUH!

OH and I heard yesterday that when the engine kicks in instead of the battery your top speed is 40 MPH which will make you road kill as that semi behind you is doing 75 mph.

So Double NO and double BIG -- DUH!!

31 posted on 03/10/2009 6:33:27 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: docbnj

And where do we get the electricity to charge its batteries with Obambi’s vow to close down the coal industry and anti-nuke power bias?

And now congress wants to mandate a 15-20% ethanol content for gasoline. When the 10% mix was mandated I got a 10% DECREASE in the mileage of my car. Just like Congress to demand more mileage while demanding a fuel that will deliver less mileage than pure gasoline.


32 posted on 03/10/2009 6:34:03 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead (3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: central_va

Where did you find the 20A?

The Tesla requires a high amperage connection.


33 posted on 03/10/2009 6:35:42 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: docbnj
The concept of the Volt is not unsound -- but the economic viability depends entirely on the cost/benefit ratio of the battery. Fortunately we are making advances in battery technology by leaps and bounds, and costs are coming down. But the Volt batteries are not mature yet -- the car was deliberately announced way before the technology was mature, in a big gamble on the future by GM. The planned debut of the car is 2010.

Ironically if we endorsed nuclear power more then the Volt concept would be even more sound. As Newt Gingrich explained, nuclear plants produce full capacity around the clock. The non-peak hours (at night) are the best time to plug in an electric car, since commuters don't generally use them at night anyway. But Obama doesn't want to develop nuclear power, or for that matter any "non-renewable" power source.

34 posted on 03/10/2009 6:36:28 AM PDT by zipper
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Not only are we not developing Nuclear Power, We are taking existing plants OFF line.


35 posted on 03/10/2009 6:39:46 AM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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We have hundreds and hundreds of Golf carts at work.
Not a one runs off batteries. I wonder why? Hmmmm?


36 posted on 03/10/2009 6:41:25 AM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: docbnj

It goes 40 miles on a charge? Good bye trips to Grandma.


37 posted on 03/10/2009 6:43:53 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (All Hail Our Dear Leader..........)
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To: docbnj

BTW: GM VP Lauccckner
Three cees and a kay? Is he from the Department of Redundancy Department?


38 posted on 03/10/2009 6:47:47 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: mylife; popdonnelly
There’s a reason why cars have been powered by oil derivatives since the 1930’s. Anyone figure that out yet?

Ummm..efficiency?

No, actually. Even counting for transmission losses and such, the overall efficiency of a plug-in electric car is probably better than that of an internal combustion engine, due to the fact that large power plants operate at a much higher efficiency than a car does.

The wonderful advantage of oil-based transportation is that you can very conveniently pack a tremendous amount of energy into a very small volume; and the storage medium itself is very stable and safe, and operates well over a very wide range of temperature.

To be successful, any attempt to replace oil-based internal combustion engines has got to match up well in terms of convenience and energy density. In their current form, electric cars don't really do that very well.

Consider, for example, a day ski trip here in Colorado. Even if you left home with a full charge, the gasoline half of the "hybrid" system would end up doing most of the work.

39 posted on 03/10/2009 6:47:52 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: thackney
Where did you find the 20A?

Swag

40 posted on 03/10/2009 6:48:10 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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