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To: demshateGod

It looks like God says “you shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.” (Genesis 3:3)

Where does it say that all of creation now experiences physical death after they touched it? It says that creation was “good” in the beginning but I don’t see anything regarding death prior to this.

Others have explained to me that there could not be any animal death because that would not be “good”. Where is this idea coming from? If this is true, why weren’t the Jews ordered to be vegetarians?


156 posted on 03/12/2009 4:15:14 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

I can think of one. Romans 8. The whole chapter is great evidence of the power sin has over the creation, as well as the futility of works for salvation but I’ll just give you what you’re specifically looking for.

Rom 8:19-22 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

And incase you might wonder if “creation” is refering to humans. Verse 23......

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

And here’s another. All of Isaiah 11
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=11&v=1&t=KJV

Honestly I think this argument is grasping at straws.


159 posted on 03/12/2009 5:32:44 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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