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Ron Paul defends earmarks, says anti-pork McCain is just grandstanding
LA TImes ^ | 3/11/09 | Andrew Malcom

Posted on 03/11/2009 6:56:34 PM PDT by pissant

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who is the darling of the Libertarian Right, has more earmarks in the pork-laden $410-billion spending bill than any other Republican.

That's not according to the MSM, or the liberal blogosphere. That's what Fox News is reporting.

In an interview Tuesday night with Fox News' Neil Cavuto, Paul not only defended his own earmarks, he argued that every penny in the federal budget should be earmarked, to improve transparency.

Paul, a fiscal watchdog who said he voted against the bill because he believes federal spending is out of control, acknowledged that $73 million in the bill passed by his colleagues "might be" going to his district on Texas' Gulf Coast for things like the intra-coastal waterway, the Texas City channel and Wallisville Lake. But he was fine with that, noting that he always votes for tax credits, not matter how "silly," to return money to the constituents who sent their tax dollars to Washington.

The principle of the earmark is our responsibility. We're supposed to — it's like a — a tax credit. And I vote for all tax credits, no matter how silly they might seem. If I can give you any of you of your money back, I vote for it. So, if I can give my district any money back, I encourage that. But, because the budget is out of control, I haven't voted for an appropriation in years — if ever. ...

I don't think the federal government should be doing it. But, if they're going to allot the money, I have a responsibility to represent my people. If they say, hey, look, put in a highway for the district, I put it in. I put in all their requests, because I'm their representative.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; cocktailsauce; crustacea; deficitspending; hypocrites; mcbama; mccain; mccaintruthfile; mcqueeg; moneycreation; pork; porkulus; rino; ronpaul; scampi; shrimpboats
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GOPers are sure gettin snippy these days. Fun to watch anyway.
1 posted on 03/11/2009 6:56:35 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I like Ron Paul, but that’s a hyper technicality.


2 posted on 03/11/2009 6:58:17 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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To: pissant
GOP is funny. The only reason why I registered GOP is to primary Specter. After that, back to Independent.
3 posted on 03/11/2009 7:01:08 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (FReeping. It's good old fashion fun for the family!)
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To: lormand; Allegra; ejonesie22; Petronski

pingzers


4 posted on 03/11/2009 7:02:34 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant

“Mr. Constitution”


5 posted on 03/11/2009 7:04:04 PM PDT by THX 1138
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To: pissant

Ron Paul is a phony baloney tin-foiling wearing freak.


6 posted on 03/11/2009 7:05:24 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("From hell's heart I stab at thee... I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Khan Noonien Singh)
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To: THX 1138; rabscuttle
“Mr. Constitution”

Looks like Rabscuttle's boy not only is a moron on foreign policy but a hypocrite on spending as well.

And it must be "constitutional", right?

7 posted on 03/11/2009 7:07:30 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: pissant

I’m in the middle of the road on the earmarks thing.

Earmarks are a symptom of a greater problem. Sometimes things that need getting done can’t get the money because the opposition doesn’t want to hear about it. On the other hand, we shouldn’t have to pay to study the homosexual mating habits of the east texas dung beetle.

Too much raiding and skimming going on in DC across the board.


8 posted on 03/11/2009 7:09:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I call him Rhu Paul. >;0)


9 posted on 03/11/2009 7:13:39 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: THX 1138

Why shouldn’t anyone ask for the money the federal government takes in taxes back? Whose money is it? The federal government’s or the citizens?

You people pretend that once the money is looted from the taxpayer’s pocket, they’d better never ask for it to be returned. Is that right? that means you think that all money belongs to the federal government, or in the case of modern history, the federal reserve, to be spent propping up the failed globalist policies of the last 30 years. You think that Obama needs taxpayer money to ‘save the world’ economic system which is tantamount to treason against the Constitution.

All congressmen should ask for the district money back. Let citizens decide where it’s spent, not the federal reserve, the G20, the numerous ‘councils’ and ‘czars’ the white house has created.


10 posted on 03/11/2009 7:14:30 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mnehring

Interesting how some are just getting a clue that L Ron Paul’s middle name is Oink and a RINO delux.
I wish hr would make the final move over to his Third Party loons.

His type, along with the “Pures” and Far Left are
doing their best to divide the Republicans.
They are Obama’s best friend.


11 posted on 03/11/2009 7:16:08 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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To: Lakeshark
You all must be freedom and liberty hating RINOs who are pawns of the Zionist agenda. If Dr. Paul says earmarks are important and Constitutional, then it is true. Dr. Paul found that wild shrimp and ferris wheels are written right there in the Constitution. You take the "W" from the second sentence in Article 2 Section 8, the "I" from the third sentence, the "L" from Hamilton's signature.. and so on... Dr. Paul is right and you all are just haters.. when you deliver ten billion babies and memorize the Constitution, only then will you understand the brilliant purity of his holiness Lord Paul...

do I really need a /sarc?

12 posted on 03/11/2009 7:16:40 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant

He’s a nutty little elf as well as a hypocrite. He knows a particular bill will pass and votes against it, symbolically, but is always there to wallow in the booty.


13 posted on 03/11/2009 7:17:29 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Iam fimus mos ledo ventus apparatus)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Oh my gosh, I understand now, it is so simple.. the federal government is the redistributer in chief.. oh wow.. collectivism is good.. I never saw it that way.. take from the taxpayers and give it to pet projects.. thanks to you and Dr. Paul, I finally see the perfection in collectivism....

/sarc


14 posted on 03/11/2009 7:18:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: hedgetrimmer
Uh, how many of those earmarks that Paul got are for items specifically permitted for the federal government in the Constitution?

Thus, the hypocrite tag...

15 posted on 03/11/2009 7:18:39 PM PDT by THX 1138
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To: mnehring
You didn't. You had me laughing at the first sentence......

So you're a RINO too?

16 posted on 03/11/2009 7:19:42 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: pissant
"Ron Paul.....has more earmarks in the pork-laden $410-billion spending bill than any other Republican."

Ron Paul is a Fraud and a Hypocrite and his followers are the type of people that followed Jim Jones to an early departure.
17 posted on 03/11/2009 7:21:31 PM PDT by utahson
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul...

Sheesh...

Let the lunacy begin again...

18 posted on 03/11/2009 7:25:34 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: Darren McCarty

Ron Paul is the libertarian evil clone of Dennis Kucinich.

Both are crazy as Charles Manson without the weapons.


19 posted on 03/11/2009 7:26:17 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: pissant

This federal earmarking of local pet projects is such total crap.

The ONLY things the central government should be doing are major things of NATIONAL significance, that have greater than local impact, and that cannot be done at the state level. Things like the national defense and major items of national infrastructure like the interstate highway system.

If the people of Texas don’t care enough about some local waterfront development project to pay for it themselves, why the holy hell should I pay for it out of my paycheck from Massachusetts?

Likewise, I think it’s preposterous for people in Texas to pay for the Boston Big Dig mess.

Perhaps if we weren’t filtering all our money through a massive central bureaucracy only have a small percentage returned to us, we could actually afford to pay for the local work we want directly, and far more efficiently.

This federal government is totally out of control. Its budget needs to be slashed by 75% across the board, and taxes reduced accordingly.


20 posted on 03/11/2009 7:27:50 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: All

Look out! The Paulbots will be here soon to defend the mad elf!


21 posted on 03/11/2009 7:28:14 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: pissant

He is such a flake. His district got HAMMERED by hurricane Ike and he was turning down aid, saying it was wrong, but now this. That man should retire, and the liberaltarians should find a better standard bearer.


22 posted on 03/11/2009 7:28:38 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: DarthVader

He reminds me of Pat Paulson.


23 posted on 03/11/2009 7:29:49 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: pissant

“And I vote for all tax credits, no matter how silly they might seem. If I can give you any of you of your money back, I vote for it.”

it’s not our money because you tell me how it should be spent.


24 posted on 03/11/2009 7:30:38 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: ejonesie22

He gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “robbing Peter to pay Paul”..


25 posted on 03/11/2009 7:33:32 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Captain Kirk; Gondring; ...

Ron Paul Ping


26 posted on 03/11/2009 7:35:43 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

and worse, the clone of L Ron Paul is 9/11 Truther Chuck Baldwin


27 posted on 03/11/2009 7:37:03 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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To: pissant
I was totally against RP. Isolationism is like telling your son, in 10 years he will have to fight the bully you were afraid to fight, and oh by the way, the bully will spend those 10 years growing stronger. That's why I joined the Army and went to Iraq more than once.

BUT, why are FReepers freaking out on this? Maybe he is a lying fraud I don't know, but what he says here makes perfect sense.

On a side note (serious questions), I always thought earmarks were pork attachments to unrelated bills. How are these things in the spending bill considered earmarks? Aren't they just spending? What part of the spending bill is not an earmark?

28 posted on 03/11/2009 7:39:17 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Julio is Amerika.)
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To: mnehring

Clearly you are in favor of Obama’s plan to send the money overseas.

A representative ‘represents’ citizens. The places Obama’s sending our tax dollars get it without representation or even our permission. The federal reserve says its a ‘secret’.

You globalists are destroying this country and gutting the domestic economy.

You are the redistributionists, and apparently you’re a disinformationist too.


29 posted on 03/11/2009 7:54:16 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: douginthearmy

You’re a globalist, then.


30 posted on 03/11/2009 7:54:40 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: THX 1138

What do you have against taxpayers keeping some of their money?


31 posted on 03/11/2009 7:55:44 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Cute collectivist double speak you have there.


32 posted on 03/11/2009 7:56:24 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant

Ron Paul makes sense some of the time. This is not one of those times.


33 posted on 03/11/2009 7:56:31 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

That isn’t keeping it, that is big brother redistributing it to whom he deems worthy.


34 posted on 03/11/2009 7:57:39 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

So the federal government, Nancy Pelosi and Obama should decide where a taxpayer’s money should be spent even if they want to send it to foreign corporations and foreign governments to prop up the fake ‘global economy’? LOL your colors are showing LOL


35 posted on 03/11/2009 8:00:29 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mnehring

You’re projecting, LOL


36 posted on 03/11/2009 8:00:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

No, none of them should. This redistribution game just keeps the baseline growing and Paula is just as guilty as Pelosi.


37 posted on 03/11/2009 8:01:59 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: TruthWillWin

If you live in a congressional district, and money from taxes is taken from your district, do you expect that it should NEVER be spent in your district? Is it gone? Kaput? Like it never existed?


38 posted on 03/11/2009 8:02:15 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Whatever.


39 posted on 03/11/2009 8:02:45 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: hedgetrimmer
What do you have against taxpayers keeping some of their money?

That slogan will knock 'em dead in 2010 when the Repubs accuse the Dims of fiscal irresponsibility...

40 posted on 03/11/2009 8:03:04 PM PDT by THX 1138
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To: hedgetrimmer

“What do you have against taxpayers keeping some of their money?”

He gets to pick the taxpayers he likes


41 posted on 03/11/2009 8:08:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: douginthearmy

This is something I’ve been confused about. This used to be one of the things that bothered me about Paul, but I’m not totally sure how this earmark process works. The situation I associate with pork is when a congressman agrees to support a bill if spending for their district is added to the bill.

From what is sounds like he’s saying, an “earmark” is just some part of the bill that has an allotted amount of money (whether that’s ‘pork’ or spending on government salaries), so that way everyone can see where that money is going. Without the earmark,the spending would not be transparent.

The other thing it sounds like he’s saying is that there is a certain amount allocated for the bill and that the money will be spent whether or not he earmarks it to his district. If not him, for instance, the money would still be spent, perhaps in another district, or at the discretion of the executive branch, with less transparency.

My original interpretation can’t really be applicable because Paul never votes for these bills. If he never votes for them even when these earmarks go to his district, then why give him the earmarks at all, unless the money is already appropriated to the bill? Even then though I’m still not sure how it is decided who gets the how much for their districts. I’m confused about the whole issue now.

I don’t believe spending like this is constitutional, but if the money is already appropriated then I can’t blame him for trying to get a piece for his district.


42 posted on 03/11/2009 8:10:01 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: pissant

Of course, he’s right to try to return hatever tax money to his constituents that he can if he can’t cut their taxes in the first place. At least he votes against the bills. If only the senate Republicans did the same.

People who are critical of Paul for earmarking money for his own district while voting against the bill are the same people who chastise Republicans for not surrendering under term limits when they get the majority.


43 posted on 03/11/2009 8:13:04 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Zeddicus

“...only have a small percentage returned to us...”

I saw Tim Pawlenty on one of the talk shows discussing whether he would take the federal stimulus funds. He said he would take the funds, because his state only gets back 73 cents of every dollar they send to Washington.

Limit stimulus funds to the amount that each state has sent to Washington. Or better yet, don’t take the money from the states to begin with.


44 posted on 03/11/2009 8:13:52 PM PDT by mouske
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To: hedgetrimmer

Sooper! Always wondered what I am, now I know.


45 posted on 03/11/2009 8:15:03 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Julio is Amerika.)
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To: mnehring; All

Please help me understand earmarks.

I’m being serious.

Is it like this...?

A bill is about to be voted on - say 100 mil. for education - the amount to be voted on is set at 100 mil. - but the terms of spending are very broad - reps put in “earmarks” for stuff they want - might be stupid and wasteful, might not be stupid and wasteful - does the 100 mil. amount grow with each proposed earmark - or is it just a way of tagging a portion of the bill for something specific - while the rest just gets spent in whatever way the executive branch chooses?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can clear things up for me.


46 posted on 03/11/2009 8:17:31 PM PDT by mommya
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To: ari-freedom
He gets to pick the taxpayers he likes

He submits every single request for an earmark that his office receives, no matter how silly.

47 posted on 03/11/2009 8:23:42 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Nephi

I need to request my money before he can give it back to me?


48 posted on 03/11/2009 8:28:33 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: ari-freedom

It’s Paul’s fault the Republican party has been commandeered by neo-cons?


50 posted on 03/11/2009 8:32:49 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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