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Steele Slips Again, But America Should not Fall for it - ALAN KEYES challenges Steele to debate!
America's Independent Party ^ | Friday, March 13, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/13/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: Mojave
13th Amendment.

How is it that you can understand the 13th Amendment, but fail to understand the Constitution's own statement of purpose and the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments?

Since you seem to possess reading comprehension skills, I'm tempted to think this is a case of unwillingness to understand, not inability.

81 posted on 03/13/2009 2:58:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: infidel29

With Hillary Clinton doing the same exact things that Barack Obama is presently doing instead! The “fix was in” for leftist anyways on November 4, 2008, thanks to the leftist ongoing creation and worsening of worldwide political correctness and everything associated with worldwide political correctness and the GOP’s ongoing move towards “leftist-lite”! At the same time, there were also way too many “Republican haters”, “President George W. Bush haters”, “politically ignorant voters”, “politically stupid voters”, and “conservative haters” that voted on November 4 against both Republicans and conservatives to have any serious chance for “big time victory” for both.


82 posted on 03/13/2009 2:59:49 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: EternalVigilance
The state of the national government is what it is because it is peopled overwhelmingly by folks like Steele; those who have no firm moral basis for their own thinking,

Now that's just wrong! Steele is a Roman Catholic. As a Marylander who supported Steele when he ran for the Senate seat now held by the leftist gay-marriage-supporter Ben Cardin, I resent your categorical vituperation against Steele.

83 posted on 03/13/2009 3:05:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Constitution's own statement of purpose

Backwards. The United States Constitution was not intended to eliminate state powers and establish a national hegemony, as you mistakenly believe.

and the Fifth

Non sequitur.

and the Fourteenth Amendments?

The 14th Amendment has not yet been given blanket incorporation, despite the desperate efforts of the left to destroy the 10th Amendment.

84 posted on 03/13/2009 3:08:11 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Did anyone check Steele’s Party Affiliation before he was selected RNC chair?


85 posted on 03/13/2009 3:21:49 PM PDT by topfile
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To: Mojave

Are babies persons?

Even the author of Roe vs. Wade, in the text of the decision, admitted that if the unborn were persons, they are protected by the clear provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment.

And, the Reagan plank in the GOP platform since 1984 asserts the personhood of the unborn and their protection by the Fourteenth Amendment.


86 posted on 03/13/2009 3:22:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: topfile

Someone might want to check that particular ID on most of the GOP’s “leadership.”


87 posted on 03/13/2009 3:23:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: Mojave
The 14th Amendment has not yet been given blanket incorporation,

That's ridiculous. The Fourteenth has explicit language that binds the states. No "incorporation" needed. Just basic reading comprehension skills.

88 posted on 03/13/2009 3:25:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: Mojave

“No State shall...deprive any person of life...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” - Fourteenth Amendment


89 posted on 03/13/2009 3:26:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: incredulous joe
It’s unfortunate that Keyes is trying to seize on the opportunity and becoming a tool for the Dems, as they split the Conservatives from the GOP. Great gameplan for the Horde of Moelek!

It is a shame that the Conservatives have to take a back seat to the bigger GOP. It is a shame that the Conservatives are unable to convince the balance of the GOP to support the Conservative agenda of a smaller and a less intrusive federal government. Until Conservatives convince the balance of the GOP that this agenda is the correct path, Conservatives will walk the Sinai. There should be no split, the GOP should return to representing and carrying out the agenda of the Conservative thinkers in America. Voting for GOP candidates that give us Democrat Lite (e.g., TARP, numerous agencies and programs not intended by the Constituion) is the action of someone in great denial.
90 posted on 03/13/2009 3:32:04 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: RinaseaofDs; EternalVigilance
Correct the legal error, and there will be a great many that can vote with their feet and live somewhere that respects those rights. That’s better than the status quo - it removes the stain of murder from over half the State Houses. You, however, want it all, and want it now. Not only an unrealistic expectation, but a self-defeating one - in that it strengthens the resolve of your opponents.

I totally agree. And to give him (her?) the benefit of the doubt, I think that if EternalVigilance were sent as a missionary to a remote jungle where abortion was practiced, he would work patiently with people to first gain their trust and attention, and then lay the foundations of a moral system, and eventually introduce positive improvements like the benefits of marriage and preparing for children and forming an economy to support them.

What he fails to recognize is that our population is now largely peopled by youths who have been culturally deprived of a moral education and environment. They need a long, patient reeducation; they need inspiration and a much more comprehensive view than merely overturning a long-established law, however heinous, can possibly provide.

It's easy to forget that it took a bloody Civil War and millions of wounded or dead to even begin to overturn slavery; then the Confederacy had to be occupied by the Union and kept down economically for an entire century before our country had the strength to fight the second phase of civil rights for blacks, an end to Jim Crow.

Supporters of abortion have demonstrated not only their ignorance and venality, but their absolute determination to fight to the death even of our country and our freedoms to defend it -- why? Because the fight is not about abortion, but against principalities and powers. We can't be so naive as to think that overturning Roe is going to settle a fight that has already taken up nearly half a century and millions of fetal lives.

Conservatives must regard themselves as missionaries who will work patiently with the ignorant and deluded youth of our nation. Only when the Abolitionists convinced a majority that slavery's moral wrongs outweighed the potential losses of a Civil War could the battle be engaged. The price was horrific and lingers to this day. A president lost his life, and his moderating hand on the horrors of Reconstruction was lost. The price of cleansing our nation from this sin may also be substantial.

Matthew 24:19 (KJV)
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

91 posted on 03/13/2009 3:32:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance

read later


92 posted on 03/13/2009 3:32:56 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: murron
But Obama didn’t out-talk him.

Talk is cheap. Obama already had a huge, well-financed machine behind him. The party that put Keyes forward thought his eloquence combined with his skin color would do the trick.

93 posted on 03/13/2009 3:34:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“You can’t stop a holocaust by compromising with it.”

No one suggested we do otherwise. I’m merely suggesting a means to an end we both agree on. You want to work very hard. I’d rather work very smart.


94 posted on 03/13/2009 3:35:12 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: EternalVigilance
Steele is parroting his interpretation of the party line. It could change tomorrow if he is given a better script. He should stay off camera and do the yeoman work of rebuilding the process by which primaries are run.

Steel can do the job if he just keeps quiet and stays out of the limelight.

He's not a rino or a problem - Not every one can stand up to the pressure of big media.....

95 posted on 03/13/2009 3:38:48 PM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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To: EternalVigilance
Are babies persons?

Yes. Is the federal government God?

Even the author of Roe vs. Wade, in the text of the decision, admitted that if the unborn were persons, they are protected by the clear provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment.

You're citing the "reasoning" of the worst and most dishonestly reasoned decision in the history of the Supreme Court as the basis for your position for transferring state police powers to the federal government for definition and protection? You're proposing to bolster the very decision that has killed millions of babies.

96 posted on 03/13/2009 3:41:09 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Cicero

See post 91.


97 posted on 03/13/2009 3:41:49 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance
That's ridiculous. The Fourteenth has explicit language that binds the states.

Horse manure. And unquoted, naturally.

98 posted on 03/13/2009 3:42:15 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: chuckles

He’s certainly brilliant. And no one can argue the pro-life issue more lucidly, whether it’s abortion or assisted suicide he’s discussing. Politically, he’s too strident. When he talks about abortion, he gets that edge in his voice that turns people off. I think he could get elected if he would just tone it down a bit.


99 posted on 03/13/2009 3:44:04 PM PDT by giotto
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Hillary would not have the racist slant of the black liberation theology further pushing her motives.

I agree that we're on a socialist tilting slope though. Rs moving left thinking they need to be nanny-staters to get elected and the lap dog media obfuscating the oppressive agenda of the neo-comms in the (D) party.

100 posted on 03/13/2009 3:45:53 PM PDT by infidel29 (2008, a year I'd like to forget)
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