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Steele Slips Again, But America Should not Fall for it - ALAN KEYES challenges Steele to debate!
America's Independent Party ^ | Friday, March 13, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/13/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: Cicero

Then we can hear the dems shouting what racists the republicans are because they got rid of a black chairman


61 posted on 03/13/2009 2:16:57 PM PDT by rlferny
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To: chuckles
Keyes against anybody, Keyes wins. Keyes is a fair to middlin orator with the mind of a Founding Father.

I admire the man and I sent him money when he ran against Obama, whom he debated; but he lost against Obama. His high-minded language flies above the heads of too many of today's dumbed-down citizens. Blacks reject him because they as an overall group are suspicious of education; they tolerate it in Obama because he affects the dropped 'g' and other ghetto slang when he is pandering to them. Keyes exudes an air of intellectual superiority that I know he has earned and that conservatives admire him for; but liberal dummies don't like it. It saddens me greatly. But as a movement, conservatives need to think more strategically.

62 posted on 03/13/2009 2:18:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think it was Rush who said the Republicans can’t out-liberal the liberals. The RNC needs to figure that out.


63 posted on 03/13/2009 2:21:42 PM PDT by Spok (The Sinopian Sage)
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To: Cicero
But it’s still not right to kill innocent people. Nobody has a “right” to an abortion. That sends a vile message. None of the states permitted abortion legally until shortly before Roe v. Wade, as a result of a well-organized liberal campaign by the Rockefellers and other liberals. And the country did a hell of a lot better before all that happened, with fewer divorces, fewer broken families, fewer perverted kids, even aside from the question of whether it’s right to murder babies.

I totally agree with what you said; but as a matter of strategically reclaiming our nation, conservatives have to come to terms with the reality that today's young and even middle-aged voters have never known a world without easy legal abortion. We cannot afford to try to "go back." We must find ways to go forward, and those ways may be by increments, legally and politically.

Only when you have gotten someone's attention and heart can you convince them that what they take for granted might be a bad, bad thing. Perception is everything in politics, as the last election clearly showed.

64 posted on 03/13/2009 2:23:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I do think they are unalienable everywhere. Everywhere - including China.

I, however, will accept incremental progress toward that goal from where ever I can get it.

If righting a legal wrong creates, for the first time since Roe v. Wade, actual places to live in the US that revere these inalienable rights, then it will only bring more pressure on places that don’t have such rights.

There is a psychic cost of abortion that redounds to everyone living in a place that condones such crimes against humanity. This has been seen in Germany, the South during the Civil War. The transgressions of a few have been codified unconstitutionally such that every citizen in the US is responsible, by fiat of 9 people.

Correct the legal error, and there will be a great many that can vote with their feet and live somewhere that respects those rights.

That’s better than the status quo - it removes the stain of murder from over half the State Houses.

You, however, want it all, and want it now. Not only an unrealistic expectation, but a self-defeating one - in that it strengthens the resolve of your opponents.


65 posted on 03/13/2009 2:24:23 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: KevinDavis

But Obama didn’t out-talk him.


66 posted on 03/13/2009 2:27:45 PM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: EternalVigilance

For me, at least... and just off the top of my head... there are 3 current issues that should be left to the states.

1. Abortion
2. Marriage (gay or not)
3. Flag burning

I could go on, but it’d be on issues that aren’t as ‘hot button’ as these.


67 posted on 03/13/2009 2:29:49 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: RinaseaofDs

You can’t stop a holocaust by compromising with it. If that was possible, it would already have ended, since this has been the approach of the “pro-life” “leadership” for the last 35 years.

Some of us aren’t buying it any more.

The only way to stop evil is to fight it with every ounce of your strength.


68 posted on 03/13/2009 2:32:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: Norman Bates
Listening to the man is like listening to crashing pots and pans.

I likened it to fingernails on a chalkboard yesterday, LOL!

69 posted on 03/13/2009 2:34:53 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: gogogodzilla
or me, at least... and just off the top of my head... there are 3 current issues that should be left to the states.

1. Abortion

Do you want the states to have the "right" to ban guns?

If your answer is "no," why do you consider the right to life to be inferior to the right to protect life?

This is a nonsensical position.

70 posted on 03/13/2009 2:34:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: ravingnutter

Trademark that!


71 posted on 03/13/2009 2:36:07 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: EternalVigilance

Because the right to bear arms is specifically stated in the Constitution. The right to life is not, and as it is not spelled out in the Constitution, the states get to decide... not Washington.


72 posted on 03/13/2009 2:39:33 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: rlferny; Cicero
Then we can hear the dems shouting what racists the republicans are because they got rid of a black chairman

Then it is time for the GOP to grow up and get a backbone and just do the right thing for a change, irregardless of what the Propaganda arm of the Democrats do.
73 posted on 03/13/2009 2:40:52 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: exist

Steele practicing his run for president?


74 posted on 03/13/2009 2:45:39 PM PDT by quintr
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To: Crolis
People have to be constantly entertained or they tune out. See the movie Idiocracy for an example of this.

A sadly accurate conclusion. I thought the movie was brilliant satire; unfortunately it is becoming true as we post.


President Camacho at the wheel of the Presidential limo

75 posted on 03/13/2009 2:49:21 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Are you going to apply the same illogic to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms?

That is how it has always been.

Free speech?

Judicial incorporation.

Due process?

Varies by state.

Trial by jury?

Varies by state. Different size juries, different offenses subject to petit jury trials, different grand jury requirements for trying a suspect, etc.

SLAVERY?

13th Amendment.

The right to peaceably assemble?

Judicial incorporation, with some residual state variations.

76 posted on 03/13/2009 2:51:55 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: gogogodzilla
Because the right to bear arms is specifically stated in the Constitution. The right to life is not, and as it is not spelled out in the Constitution, the states get to decide... not Washington.

The only way you can think that is if you ignore the Statement of Purpose of the Constitution, or if you think babies are not persons.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to...secure the Blessings of Liberty to...our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"No person shall ...be deprived of life...without due process of law..." - Fifth Amendment

"No State shall...deprive any person of life...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - Fourteenth Amendment

77 posted on 03/13/2009 2:54:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: KevinDavis
A little factoid.. Before Roe, abortion was legal is most states..

Legal in some, not in others; what really unhinged this country was the marketing of the Pill, and a little-known Supreme Court decision just before Roe that made it legal for doctors to prescribe the Pill to unmarried women. It was couched in broad language of non-discrimination between the married and the unmarried. That decision was then used like a shoehorn to dismantle every other legal distinction of marriage, such as the rights of hotels or apartment owners not to rent rooms to unmarried couples, and many other applications of the sex-drugs-rock'n'roll revolution.

78 posted on 03/13/2009 2:54:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Up until the Republicans lost it, around 2005-06, the right to life candidates were winning almost everywhere, except in the most liberal states.

Even in California, a majority of black voters voted against gay marriage even as they voted for Obama.

That’s why the Democrats have to twist the language, and talk about choice instead of abortion. Because most voters do NOT favor abortion. If McCain hadn’t been such an idiot and given Obama a free pass on this issue, but had told the American people what Obama stood for—killing babies after they are born—then he would have done a lot better at the polls.


79 posted on 03/13/2009 2:54:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rlferny

If you paint yourself into a corner because you’re too stupid to notice, then sooner or later you have to walk out over the paint.


80 posted on 03/13/2009 2:56:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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