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Smoke ‘em if you can afford ‘em ($10 per carton tax increase)
The Somerset Daily American ^ | March 12, 2009 | Rick Kazmer

Posted on 03/13/2009 3:07:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Tobacco connoisseurs can't catch a break.

A new federal tax recently approved by President Obama has increased cigarette carton prices by more than $10 - about 75 cents a pack.

The tax was passed in January as part of a multibillion dollar package to provide health care for children and certain legal immigrants. Local tobacco users and dealers admit the cause is admirable, but said the tax is unjust.

“There is about zero common sense or logic in this whole tax,” said David Roth, owner of Tobacco Alley in Somerset. “It is a revenue stream that has been drying up for years.”

Cigarettes are not the only tobacco product with rising prices. Roth said bagged tobacco will be increased by $25 a pound.

The tax becomes official in April; however, retailers said that manufacturers have already increased their prices to prepare for the hike. As a result, prices in stores started going up on Monday.

“The more you raise taxes on this product, the less money the government is bringing in,” Roth said. “That many more people are quitting or going to the black market.”

U.S. Rep. John Murtha voted for the tax to help bring health care to 11 million children, including 227,000 in Pennsylvania, according to a prepared statement from his office.

“The CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program) improves both the health and chance for success of these children, and it saves us money by reducing costly emergency room visits which have come to supplement primary care,” Murtha said.

Alice Holler, a smoker from the Meyersdale area, said she doesn't have a problem with helping children. But coupled with the state smoking ban, Holler said smokers are being hit too hard. The ban started in September and prohibits smoking in most public places.

“I feel they should start taxing something else instead of cigarettes,” she said while walking along West Main Street in Somerset on Thursday. She suggested levying a tax on alcohol instead.

Sheetz waited until Wednesday to raise its tobacco prices. Lou Sheetz, vice president of marketing, said tobacco sales equal about one-third of their in-store business.

“The tax is excessive,” he said. “The money will be put to good use, I am sure. It will be a burden to that (smoking) portion of adults.”

Sheetz said customers usually blame the retailer for price increases. But when it comes to taxation, Sheetz said, their hands are tied.

“It isn't real until it hits, and it hit us,” he said. “Now we have to pass it on to the customer.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2009; bho44; congress; economy; obama; pufflist; schip; sintaxes; smokers; taxes; taxincrease; tobacco
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The ancient Chinese taxed "night soil" (the human waste left in an outhouse). What will the Democrats go after next?
1 posted on 03/13/2009 3:07:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Zero’s peeps on the street ain’t gonna like this.


2 posted on 03/13/2009 3:09:34 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

no worries, the prez. gets his for free anyway


3 posted on 03/13/2009 3:10:07 PM PDT by peace with honor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good....Less kids will become addicted. No conservative should support smoking.


4 posted on 03/13/2009 3:10:53 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: cweese

Maybe menthols were excluded?


5 posted on 03/13/2009 3:11:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sheetz said customers usually blame the retailer for price increases. But when it comes to taxation, Sheetz said, their hands are tied.

Is this guy for real or are all his customers Democrats?

6 posted on 03/13/2009 3:11:37 PM PDT by rocksblues (Sarah and Joe, Real Americans!)
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To: Drango

The Brady people could easily make the same argument about ammunition and firearms.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 3:12:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The tax was passed in January as part of a multibillion dollar package to provide health care for children and certain legal immigrants.

Oh ... kay.

8 posted on 03/13/2009 3:14:17 PM PDT by LiberConservative (0bama: Kenyan slang for "FAIL")
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To: Drango
Good....Less kids will become addicted.

Hmmm...wonder what you do we could tax

No Conservative would suppor this tax

9 posted on 03/13/2009 3:14:37 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The ancient Chinese taxed "night soil" (the human waste left in an outhouse). What will the Democrats go after next?

Low flush toilets.

10 posted on 03/13/2009 3:14:47 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Drango

“Good....Less kids will become addicted. No conservative should support smoking.”

They’ll just switch to marijuana - it’s more socially acceptable, cheaper, and available.


11 posted on 03/13/2009 3:16:10 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Are Newport’s exempt?


12 posted on 03/13/2009 3:16:18 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Communism is Socialism with a gun to your head.)
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To: Drango
What about french fries..and ice cream?

Can we support them?

13 posted on 03/13/2009 3:17:31 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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To: Markos33
Are Newport’s exempt?

Or Camels?

14 posted on 03/13/2009 3:17:34 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe they should do what CA is considering.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090313/us_time/08599188495600

I’m neutral on this subject, but I will say that this ought to raise some $$$.


15 posted on 03/13/2009 3:17:53 PM PDT by a real Sheila (Obama's FAILURE is the only chance the U.S. has for SURVIVAL!)
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To: rocksblues
Is this guy for real or are all his customers Democrats?

Maybe it was Sheetz Byrd?

16 posted on 03/13/2009 3:18:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Brady people could easily make the same argument about ammunition and firearms.

The weenies at Ammunition Accountability are already pressing for a 5 cents a round tax.

17 posted on 03/13/2009 3:19:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Drango

What’s your vice? Maybe they should raise the tax on that, for your own good.


18 posted on 03/13/2009 3:19:41 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Grow your own. It’s easy. Curing is any other story. I’ve got it handled.


19 posted on 03/13/2009 3:20:34 PM PDT by hkp123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“...Obama has increased cigarette carton prices by more than $10 - about 75 cents a pack...”

GREAT math.

Ten packs of cigarettes per carton.

Increase of more than $10.00 per carton.

Let's see:

$10.00(more than) divided by 10 = $0.75.

But the tax plan will WORK!

20 posted on 03/13/2009 3:21:21 PM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: cweese
Nah, nah Zer0's peeps will just make more money selling bootleg tobacco. It is a growing business.

And once tobacco becomes more expensive than drugs, there will be a cry to legalize and tax drugs. Count on it!

21 posted on 03/13/2009 3:21:53 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Drango
Good....Less kids will become addicted. No conservative should support smoking.

You are kidding yourself if you think that this will keep kids from smoking. And as a conservative, I have no problem with people smoking. That is a part of liberty and freedom. If you are a conservative, and approve of this tax, you should maybe do some re thinking about the issue.

22 posted on 03/13/2009 3:22:31 PM PDT by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, I gave up smokes over two decades ago and today in my husband's paycheck envelope, there was a little separate typewritten note that said, "You all may be aware President Obama's stimulus plan went into effect this pay period. As a result you will notice a decrease in federal tax withholding and an increase in your take home pay. Please call me at --- --- ---- if you have any questions regarding your paycheck."

So it looks like a win-win situation for me and my husband, eh? /sarc
23 posted on 03/13/2009 3:23:03 PM PDT by mlizzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I feel they should start taxing something else instead of cigarettes,” .. She suggested levying a tax on alcohol instead.

Typical small-minded sheeple thinking. Let some other's group ox get gored but leave mine alone. Instead woman...how about NOT taxing all more, PERIOD!

24 posted on 03/13/2009 3:23:05 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Drango
Good....Less kids will become addicted. No conservative should support smoking.

I guess your tagline is selective.
25 posted on 03/13/2009 3:23:10 PM PDT by microgood
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To: a real Sheila

But it becoming illegal to smoke in most places in CA and getting worse.


26 posted on 03/13/2009 3:23:17 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Drango

I’ve gone back and forth on this issue. I agree that the more they tax these smokers the fewer smokers there will be (or black market sales) and the less income to the coffers. I also agree that no smokers at all would be a super huge reduction in health care costs so the fewer there are the better. The down side is the tax & spend mentality. When the smokers go away, the dem’s will never spend less, they will just raise taxes on all the non-smokers’ income to cover their expensive menu of entitlement services they’ve created. so for that reason, I say no more cigarette taxes and no more programs that need to be funded.


27 posted on 03/13/2009 3:24:16 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Leo Farnsworth

If Bama could only forsee. I’m donating my stimulus money to candidates that can beat him and his cronies in congress. Now if I can only find a capable candidate.


28 posted on 03/13/2009 3:25:38 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I feel they should start taxing something else instead of cigarettes,” she said while walking along West Main Street in Somerset on Thursday. She suggested levying a tax on alcohol instead.

Don't worry, they will. Well, it won't be something else taxed instead of cigarettes but rather in addition to cigarettes. There just aren't enough current smokers to support SCHIP. The program needs every smoker currently smoking to continue as well as recruiting 20 million new ones in order to fund this program. Ain't gonna happen.

29 posted on 03/13/2009 3:25:54 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I quite in 1986 after 20+ years of smoking. That was when cigs hit 50 cents a pack and I started to smoke kite tobacco roll your owns (I thought my God 50 cents a pack) since I was smoking kool non filters at the time. I like to ask the kids to day what a pack cost and then I tell them my first pack was 17 cents in Arizona in 1963 I was ten at that time. Bought a pack for granny and got one for me too.
30 posted on 03/13/2009 3:26:49 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Leo Farnsworth
$10.00(more than) divided by 10 = $0.75.

Valit point but don' forget. they charge sales tax when you make the final purchase.

You pay tax on tax, isn't it wonderful?

31 posted on 03/13/2009 3:26:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: Always Independent

I think there should be a 20 cents per square foot tax on green lawns in excess of 1000 sq feet. Think about it. It’s a luxury. Only the upper income people have lawns by the acre. Cutting down on large green lawns would curb water use, ie., waste. Less gas would be used in lawnmowers, saving energy costs.


32 posted on 03/13/2009 3:30:05 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The ancient Chinese taxed “night soil” (the human waste left in an outhouse). What will the Democrats go after next? “

They’ll tax the Sheetz!


33 posted on 03/13/2009 3:30:23 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: RFEngineer

Exactly Right!


34 posted on 03/13/2009 3:30:24 PM PDT by defconw (You can't reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into to begin with.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A new federal tax recently approved by President Obama has increased cigarette carton prices by more than $10 - about 75 cents a pack.

I roll my own...When did a carton of cigarettes have 7.5 packs? It used to be 10. When the hell did that happen?

FMCDH(BITS)

35 posted on 03/13/2009 3:31:04 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Don’t make me look up Psalm 83:1-8. What does it say.


36 posted on 03/13/2009 3:32:01 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wow...this is extremely ironic to me. The health care program is completely dependent upon an increase in smoking.

Does Obama REALLLLY want a decrease in smoking, or does he love the tax money coming in?

37 posted on 03/13/2009 3:32:14 PM PDT by GOPyouth ("Uhhhhhhhhhh." - President B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Drango

I am a Conservative and fully support my right to smoke.

Smoking for children is already against the law. If parents cannot control their children and keep them from smoking, I should not be penalized.

Maybe we should raise the cost of ammo, to keep kids from shooting up schools.


38 posted on 03/13/2009 3:33:05 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am passing this info along because I want to help smokers get out from under these ever-smothering taxes. I don’t smoke myself but I want to see the government who doesn’t give two craps about your health (but who will tax you to death) lose tax revenue.

It’s the E-cigarette. It looks like these people have finally gotten electronic cigarettes right. They look like a regular cig. They feel right in your hand. They deliver nicotine to you via a battery-powered micro-atomizer when you inhale. They also deliver water vapor along with it so that when you exhale, it looks like smoke. Plus it saves your lungs because you’re not smoking 300+ other chemicals. And it doesn’t stink, it’s odorless.

I have done the math on it. Generally people are paying 5-5.50 per pack (with taxes) depending on brand. You smoke a pack a day, thats 35-40 bucks a week. Lots of that are taxes. You buy an e-cigarette package, it’s $99 for the atomizer/batter section and 10 nicotine cartridges (equiv to 200 cigarettes). You will pay for it in 3 weeks, then you’ll be coming out ahead. The replacement cartridges are 5 cartridges (100 cigs) for $10, that works out to $2 bucks a pack.

You will be saving a hell of a lot of money because there is no cigarette tax on this. you can also ‘smoke’ them anywhere because they are not a cigarette, they don’t stink or violate any clean air laws. It’s just a nicotine delivery system. You can smoke them at the same restaurant table you just had dinner at. Then when you’re done, you can put it back in your shirt pocket or carrier.

The battery pack part of it recharges on the home charger that comes with it. It is really cool. I just got one for my mom.

The place I found it at is here if any of you are tired of paying the high taxes and having to go outside for smokes:

http://www.smoking-everywhere.com/catalog/Electronic_Cigarette-1-1.html

They have a special deal if you get two (rotate each batter unit for longer life, or keep one at home and one on you, etc), you get a third one free. You could even sell the free one to a buddy to cover some of your initial costs.

I wanted to make sure this info gets out because I have been told the FDA is considering screwing this up because (I believe) for two reasons - one, it rejects their ‘smoking kills’ mantra, and two, people get around cig taxes. So I’d seriously consider it now before they decide to regulate or shut it down.


39 posted on 03/13/2009 3:35:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Integrityrocks

The SCHIP program is some of the worst spending of all. I in noway support that. However, too many so called conservatives here turn a blind eye to kids and the addictions of smoking.

Adults don’t smoke. Teenagers smoke and then become adults after it’s way too late to quit.


40 posted on 03/13/2009 3:37:07 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Integrityrocks
It is basically stating that there will be a confederate of nations that want to cut off Israel and will invade and be cut off it is the beginning of the end.
41 posted on 03/13/2009 3:38:37 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Integrityrocks
I also agree that no smokers at all would be a super huge reduction in health care costs so the fewer there are the better.

This is debatable. For most of us, the bulk of our health care costs will be incurred during the last two years of our lives. Doesn't matter if we are 18 and dying of leukemia, 55 and dying of lung cancer or 90 and dying of heart disease.

One thing about all these non smokers who retire at 65 and live healthily for another 20+ years is that they're not only racking up routine medical costs associated with aging but they're collecting a lot more social security and pension checks than their smoking counterparts who had the good nature to die earlier. And as far as medical costs go, lung cancer is pretty cheap to treat. Give the patient pain killers, make them comfortable and help them find peace in their final days. That's really about it.

42 posted on 03/13/2009 3:39:40 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I used to get a cup of coffee in the morning along with my smokes. That was until tuesday when I suffered sticker shock. The coffee had to go.

I’ll quit on my own terms if and when I want to. I’ll be damned if the government is going to force me to quit. F’em!

BTW, since I’m paying more taxes as a smoker to fund a health program, can’t I deduct my cigarettes as healthcare?
I’m just sayin’ LOL


43 posted on 03/13/2009 3:41:08 PM PDT by diverteach (http://www.slapobama.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A new federal tax recently approved by President Obama has increased cigarette carton prices by more than $10 - about 75 cents a pack.

Wouldn't 75 cents a pack be $7.50 a carton, not $10.00 a carton.

44 posted on 03/13/2009 3:41:32 PM PDT by muggs (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a stupid question)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Yes, the math is a little off, but the article was probably written by a journalism school graduate.


45 posted on 03/13/2009 3:42:02 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That increase is 3X the .25/pack I sold them for, INCLUDING taxes, when I was young, stupid, and worked at a discount SERVICE—not gas—station. (Pump gas, wash windshield, other windows, and head & tail light lenses; [’check’ wiper blades, to try to sell new ones]; check oil, radiator, other fluids; check air pressure, tout service bay & tire specials....)


46 posted on 03/13/2009 3:43:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Obama won, America's done!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
U.S. Rep. John Murtha voted for the tax to help bring health care to 11 million children, including 227,000 in Pennsylvania, according to a prepared statement from his office.


47 posted on 03/13/2009 3:44:31 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (The more Otrauma does, the more I believe it's on purpose...to destroy America. No one is that dumb)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A new federal tax recently approved by President Obama has increased cigarette carton prices by more than $10 - about 75 cents a pack.

There are 10 packs in a carton - the math doesn't work.

48 posted on 03/13/2009 3:46:48 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do it for the ... chilren: (SCHIPS theme song)

Smoke! Smoke! Smoke!(That Cigarette)
Now I’m a fellow with a heart of gold
And the ways of a gentleman I’ve been told
Kind-of-a-guy that wouldn’t even harm a flea

full verse http://www.tobacco.org/History/Smoke_Cigarette.html


49 posted on 03/13/2009 3:47:06 PM PDT by This_far
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To: Las Vegas Ron
No Conservative would support this tax

Agree and I don't smoke.

50 posted on 03/13/2009 3:47:59 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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