Skip to comments.'Gay' adoption battle heats up in Florida
Posted on 03/19/2009 6:37:12 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K
The battle by homosexuals to legally adopt children has opened on another front in Florida.
Democratic State Senator Nan Rich, co-chair of the Senate Children, Families and Elder Affairs Committee, has filed a bill to repeal the 1977 law that bans homosexual adoption and a second bill to give judges the authority to determine adoptions based exclusively on what she calls the best interests the children. Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel disagrees with the measures.
"The actions here by Senator Nan Rich are clearly without merit, and she has the audacity to say that she is considering what is in the best interest of children. Well that defies logic, reason, and science," he contends. "Frankly the studies have shown clearly that it is in the best interest of children to have a mother and a father."
Barber believes he has discovered the Rich's true intentions. "What she and her homosexual activist supporters are considering is what is in the best interest of homosexual activists," he adds. "They are more concerned with their own selfish desires because they want to adopt children."
Liberty Counsel has a role in a case winding through the courts that would overturn the law.
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I’ll never forget the faces on three little boys who were forced to be at the Gay Pride Parade in Boston last year. One of the “parents” wore a shirt that said “Daddy is a Tranny”. These kids looked about as happy as kids that worked in the coal mines of Victorian England.
Politicians as a group are garbage. But if any Florida legislators support this b.s. then everyone should work against their re-elections. And wherever they go they shoud be treated like garbage.
That’s what happens when certain laws aren’t enforced.
Why would the courts force children to live in house oo perversion? If this passes how about a groupof whore at the local whore house adopting a few chidren to keep around?
Children have enough problems in this day and age without subjecting them to this crap...
SO, my girl’s gay cousin adopted a kid from Russia.
No matter what you think, that kid will have a better life with 2 gay doctors as parents in the United States..........than to stay in the disease riddled and malnurishment orphanage in Russia and then get kicked into the streets at 14.
...and they now have OMG another kid through a surrogate mother. THE HORROR!!!!!
“SO, my girls gay cousin adopted a kid from Russia.
No matter what you think, that kid will have a better life with 2 gay doctors as parents in the United States..........than to stay in the disease riddled and malnurishment orphanage in Russia and then get kicked into the streets at 14.”
But does the exception make the rule? Or is this the common case?
I am afraid that the common case is the post above yours, with the poor little boys at the sodomy parade, wearing their tranny t-shirts.
LOL! - no matter what we think? - Elitist nonsense.
Your post makes about as much sense as saying that kid will have a better life with 2 homos than in being left in the Jungles of the Congo.
No matter what you think, that kid will have a better life with 2 Normal heterosexuals as parents in the United States..........than with 2 gay doctors as parents in the United States.
In that case, why do gay activists want to restrict adoption to only a married couple or a "same-sex" couple? Why not let a judge decide that a child is better off adopted by, say, platonic partners in a domestic partnership or relatives sharing a household? Why does sodomy have to be involved to make people good parents?
It figures. You are from Massachusetts.
Hello newbie. Did you sign up yesterday just to push homo political objectives?
The family law section of the Florida Bar TRIED this via legislation and were shot down after members objected. They are now trying to use the name “Florida Bar” and arguing this is different because it is an amicus brief and no money is being spent. HOWEVER they are still using the name FLORIDA BAR.
The email for the Florida Supreme Court is email@example.com
The email for the President of the Florida Bar is President@flabar.org
The email for the Florida Bar News is firstname.lastname@example.org
Court asked to stop Family Law Sections gay adoption amicus
Bar says allowing a section to file an amicus does not constitute a formal endorsement of the position
By Jan Pudlow
Saying it must defend lawyers First Amendment rights, Liberty Counsel has filed a petition with the Florida Supreme Court to stop The Florida Bars Family Law Section from filing an amicus brief in support of a trial judges ruling declaring Floridas gay adoption ban unconstitutional.
The First Amendment demands that The Florida Bar remain neutral on matters that do not relate to the regulation of attorneys. The Bar cannot force attorneys and judges to pay mandatory dues and then position itself as an adversary against them on controversial ideological issues. Florida attorneys want peace, not war, but The Florida Bar has given us no choice, and we will vigorously defend our liberty under the First Amendment, Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel and dean of Liberty University School of Law in Lynchburg, Virginia, said in a prepared statement.
Liberty Counsel describes itself as a nonprofit public interest law firm with a mission of restoring the culture one case at a time by advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of human life, and the traditional family.
The Petition for Injunctive Relief Pendente Lite, Prospective Injunctive Relief and/or other Extraordinary Relief in Case No. 09-363, was filed February 27 against The Florida Bar Board of Governors, Bar President Jay White, and Bar Executive Director John F. Harkness, Jr.
Barry Richard, outside counsel for The Florida Bar, said the primary issue is that membership in the Family Law Section is entirely voluntary and no one has to join and pay its $55 annual dues.
The Florida Supreme Court has recognized in the past that sections can engage in political ideology that the Bar cannot, Richard said.
The Board of Governors, Richard said, did not endorse and took no action on behalf of the entire Florida Bar, when it voted not to stand in the way of the Family Law Section filing an amicus brief in the case that will be written by a volunteer, Cynthia Greene, a former Family Law Section chair.
On January 30, the Board of Governors voted unanimously (with one recusal) to allow the Family Law Section to file an amicus brief supporting 11th Circuit Judge Cindy Ledermans November 25, 2008, decision to declare F.S. §63.042(3) unconstitutional and to allow homosexual foster parents to adopt two brothers they had nurtured for four years.
The Board of Governors has woven a web that has entangled itself, the 86,000-plus members of The Florida Bar, and even the judiciary in a controversy that only five years ago the board agreed was too divisive to warrant legislative action, Staver and Mary McAlister argue in the petition.
In the discussion before voting, the Board of Governors made a clear distinction between allowing the amicus brief to go forward in this specific case involving the constitutional rights of two foster children to have a permanent family versus what the Family Law Section unsuccessfully asked for in December 2004 and April 2005.
In the earlier attempts, the Family Law Section wanted to lobby to repeal the anti-gay adoption law that sets Florida apart in the country, and, secondly, narrowing its request to lobby that some homosexual foster parents should be allowed to adopt.
Both times in the past, the Board of Governors voted against the sections lobbying requests because it would cause deep philosophical and emotional divisions among a significant portion of the Bars membership.
When voting on the current amicus brief issue, Richard said, the Board of Governors took the default position on a sections decision to write an amicus brief that does not require its approval and does not constitute a formal endorsement of the sections position.
[The plaintiffs] are looking at what the board did backwards. The board just followed procedures and did nothing to stop them, Richard said.
If the Bar were to take action, then it would be involving itself in an ideological issue.
The first procedure, he said, was to determine whether the subject area fell within the Family Law Sections jurisdiction and area of expertise.
Then, the Board of Governors determined either that the subject is outside of its permitted area of participation by the Supreme Court or if its an area that does not conflict with the Board of Governors.
The Family Law Section used voluntary section dues money, not mandatory annual dues collected from Florida Bar members, to debate the issue at its meetings, Richard said.
But the petition argues that Florida Bar resources collected from all Florida lawyers were used.
Most tellingly, the Bar uses mandatory dues to produce The Florida Bar News, the petition argues, detailing excerpts from the February 15 story about the Board of Governors January 30 discussion and vote.
Richard responded: The Bar News reports on a lot of stuff. That doesnt mean the Bar has sanctioned it.
But Liberty Counsel calls the Bars stance a distinction without a constitutional difference.
The general public will not discern the difference between the Family Law Section sponsoring a brief with the state bars blessing and the state bar sponsoring a brief. Instead, they will understand that The Florida Bar, of which all of us are members, is supporting invalidation of a law that has wide public support, Staver, McAlister, Anita Staver, David Corry, Rena Lindevaldsen, and Horatio Mihet wrote in a February 9 letter to Harkness and White.
This action by The Florida Bar is completely out of step with the member attorneys it represents and with the vast majority of Floridians, they wrote, noting that on November 4, 2008, voters passed the Florida Marriage Protection Amendment (Amendment 2) with 62.5 percent of the vote.
Implicit in the passage of this amendment is the affirmation of the traditional family unit comprised of a mother and a father. This same core value is encompassed in the Florida law that prohibits adoption by those actively engaged in homosexual activity.
Plaintiffs argue the Board of Governors January 30, 2009, action does not fall within the parameters set by Keller, Schwarz, and Frankel and must be enjoined as violative of petitoners free speech rights.
In Keller, they point out, The United States Supreme Court has established that integrated bars, such as The Florida Bar, cannot use dues received from its members to fund ideological and political activities that are not germane to the goals of regulating the legal profession and improving the quality of legal services.
In Schwarz, the Florida Supreme Court established standards for spending Bar resources on legislative activity to avoid, to the extent possible, those issues which carry the potential of deep philosophical or emotional division among the membership of the Bar.
And in Frankel, the Florida Supreme Court noted the Bar carries the burden of proof in establishing the propriety of its lobbying activities.
Your concerns are appreciated, but I assure you that The Florida Bar Board of Governors was sensitive to the First Amendment implications of its actions, Bar President Jay White wrote in a February 19 response to Liberty Counsels Mathew Staver.
Florida Bar policies relating to political and ideological advocacy by its various sections when clearly distinguishing themselves from this unified bar and if separately supported by voluntary funds in such activities are considered consistent with the dictates of Keller v. State Bar of California and Florida Supreme Court guidance.
The Florida Bars amicus activities stem from this organizations authority to provide information and advice to the courts and other branches of government on legal matters. . . .
I understand your sentiments regarding past actions of prior governing boards concerning the advocacy of homosexual adoption. However, last months vote was the product of a different board, on a new day, and beyond matters of influencing public policy in the legislative arena. The Board of Governors gave particular deference to the fact that this is now a legal question, in a court of law, where substantive commentary by lawyers should be registered by those who are among the most authoritative on this issue, White wrote.
The Bar, White wrote, has no intentions of rescinding its January 30 vote regarding this amicus brief.
Liberty Counsel noted it, too, will file a brief in the Third District Court of Appeal: in support of the 1977 law banning homosexual adoption.
Well this issue is one where you will get no support from FR. However, it sounds like you would be agreement with the anti-abortion and anti-illegal immigrant views of FR. Fags are anything but normal and I certainly don’t want my kids to think that is normal.
we see to attract all the homoadvocate trolls.
This is particulary bad because RINO Crist just appointed a flaming liberal to the FLSC.
Wow the viking kitties were fast there. (must be samuri viking kitties)
Seriously, the rank and file lawyers of the FL Bar are furious over this sneaky manuver. Essentially even the hard left lawyers agree the family law sections homosexual activists are lying completly because they want to imply the Florida Bar in its entirety is backing this pro-homosexual brieft the family law section is submitting.
seriously folks if you want to do something sent emails to the FL supreme court saying the Florida Bar needs to KEEP OUT OF THIS CONTROVERSY.
Those florida bar lawyers are just hijacking the Florida Bar’s name.
Such great intellect you must have......must be something special in the water in.....Ohio?.....that leads you to think you know ANYTHING about someone else based on the State they live in.
So, just to be clear, a 4 y.o. child would be better off continuing to live in a horrific Russian orphanage full of disease and malnutrition...then getting kicked into the streets at 14 years old, if they haven’t ran for the streets already.......than to live in a upper-class (as in...making well over $500K per year) house in the United States that happens to have 2 homosexuals in it. The 4 y.o. malnurished kid came with 4 diseases.......and all his brown teeth were immediately taken out because they were all rotted and weak due to a lack of calcium.
You going on record that he would’ve been better in those circumstances in Russia? Riddled with disease, malnutrition, and destined for a life on the streets because heterosexual couples simply are not adopting them?
You going on record to say we should throw kids to the wolves I addressed in previous posts on this thread just because the two rich perverts you mention set the standard for homo adoption?
I’ll go on record to say that a kid in a Russian orphanage is better off in a rich house in the United States with 2 hoomosexuals......just as I’ve stated.
"Really", this kid I mention is better off now than before.......you're damned right he is.
Heh - My, my. You do bandy the trashy hyperbole around with little restraint, don't you?
Benn to Russia much? No?
But yet, you do present your posits as factual.
You are simply regurgitating nonsense and presenting it as a priori fact, much like any liberal MSM NYT editorial columnist might in pursuit of their agenda for change.
Your use of such descriptive terms, especially to defend, if not promote, a lifestyle that is nothing short of cultural suicide via a deviant perversion, is demeaning to our intellect.
What you say MIGHT be true except for one FACT:
There are more than enough heterosexual, married couples in America and Europe who are willing and financially able to adopt these children.
We shouldn't support the lesser of two evils when it comes to children and social engineering. There are PLENTY of GOOD and even GREAT opportunities, at lest thus far, for children in this country. Why accept anything less for innocent children? DO they not have a right to be raised in a wholesome healthy environment? Suggesting those environments are not available is not true, and never has been.
So, a heterosexual couple that adopts isn't "purchasing" kids to feel "fulfilled"??
ANOTHER Truth Bump!
Easy to say when you’re not a 4yo in a Russian orphanage.
What you say MIGHT be true except for one FACT:Bump.
There are more than enough heterosexual, married couples in America and Europe who are willing and financially able to adopt these children.
Ummmmm.......since you have no clue about me, I’ll educate you so you won’t have to rant about manufactured nothing any more and can further limit your comments to bigotry that have nothing to do with making things up about me.
Went to Russia in 1997 to study deer ticks north of Vladivostok.
Went WITH the cousin TO the orphanage in question just outside Moscow to pick up the kid in question in April 2005.
...and I’ve been to Russia 3 other times (2000, 2001, 2002)....to the prisons these kids end up in, in a scientific capacity....to study the epidemiology of and collect samples of the MDRTb (now known as XDRTb) that kills petty thieves in their prisons because, well, it’s MDRTb/XDRTb.
So yeah.....you sure know something about me.....such “intellect” you have.
I know far too many couples who want to adopt and they don’t care about the child’s sex, race or anything else.
Obviously these children won’t all be raised in households that earn $500K+ a year, but neither are 99% of the children who are born here and they generally turn out just fine.
And his argument is nothing more than a supposition. I would be willing to bet that there are far more wealthy heterosexual, married couples who want to adopt than wealthy homosexual couples.
Pony up...put your money where your mouth is...adopt a few yourself...you know...so they won't end up with them homos.
By not adopting them, you're facililtating their entry into homosexual households, because they ARE getting into homosexual households right now (ding ding...there goes another one)......and ya know a percentage of homosexual households sexually abuse their adopted kids, just like a percentage of hetero households do.....are you willing to serve a prison term for facilitating the abuse?
Then why are they not adopting them? Are they all talk? There is no obstacle in their way.