Obama Puts Immigration Reform on Docket ( Wants Illegals given citizenship )

boston.com ^ | March 19, 2009 | staff

[Polybius]

"A fence IS the least effective."

As opposed to what????

Glad you asked.

Let us say that your front yard is filled with tens of thousand of flies every garbage pick up day because your uncovered garbage cans are filled with smelly garbage that attracts the flies.

What to do?

Well, you could "build a fence" and have the flies fly over it just as easily as Mexicans can dig under a fence or climb a ladder over a fence.

You could spend hours every day chasing flies with a fly swatter trying to catch every single last one of the tens of thousands of flies.

Or ........

you could .......

...... drum roll, please......

CLOSE THE GARBAGE CAN LID?

In short, cut off the supply of jobs that attracts the illegals.

McCain-Kennedy bill would: require that employers participate in an electronic system for work authorization verification. .... double the upper and lower bounds defining the range of fines employers could be charged for different types of IRCA violations.

Closed garbage can lid = No available smelly food = Hungry flies = Flies fly away on their own to look for smelly food elsewhere.

Heavy illegal employer sanctions = No emplyers willing to hire illegals = No jobs for illegals = Illegals go home.

Illegal aliens are self-deporting from Georgia

You, my friend, are full of it!

If believing that makes you fell beter, you keep believing that.

Have fun trying to build a wall high enough so that flies can't fly over it while ignoring the obvious solution.

[rabscuttle385]

Have fun trying to build a wall high enough so that flies can't fly over it while ignoring the obvious solution.

What "obvious solution"? Slitting your wrists and letting the RINOs crap all over you so the flies have more places to feed?

[Polybius]

What "obvious solution"? Slitting your wrists and letting the RINOs crap all over you so the flies have more places to feed?

What part of heavy sanctions against employers that hire illegal aliens are you against, rabscuttle385?

Illegal aliens are self-deporting from Georgia

What part of the Obama Presidency that you helped elect do you love so much, rabscuttle385?

Do you even CARE about the illegal alien problem?

Do you even CARE about what Obama is doing to America after you helped get him elected?

Or can your brain only process:

I Hate McCain! I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!I Hate McCain!

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

McCain-Kennedy bill would: require that employers participate in an electronic system for work authorization verification.

Do you really think Ted ("Jalisco no te rajes") Kennedy would support a bill that would support a bill that would do something about illegals? Not to mention what happens to bills when they get behind closed doors in the senate-house conference.

I think all of us support e-verify, but also an effective enforcement mechanism to back up e-verify. It's true that a fence by itself, without adequate support, will do nothing, but it's also true that e-verify will not work very well without a well thought-out system in place to use it, with a dedicated and numerically sufficient staff, with good faith support from other govt. branches like IRS and Social Security.

The price of McCain's solution: amnesty. So the current illegals and traitorous employers would be rewarded for their patience; future illegals would know that they will be welcomed eventually.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

#64

[Regulator]

The scary part is that significant elements of your first two novels are already facts on the ground now.

And they want me to believe that Tony VivaLaRaza is an American...sure...right...

[rabscuttle385]

#61, etc.

[Travis McGee]

I’m all twitchy from a long day in my writing closet with my no-internet laptop. This week, I’m going to finish Foreign Enemies, after 3 full years of writing. This is my best story, my best writing, and will by far be my most controversial. I just had to tell somebody who’s read my other ones.

[JoJo Gunn]

Lemme guess - “McCain in 2012”, right?

[SoConPubbie]

McCain-Kennedy bill would: require that employers participate in an electronic system for work authorization verification. .... double the upper and lower bounds defining the range of fines employers could be charged for different types of IRCA violations.

Hey, how stupid do you think everyone is here at FreeRepublic?

You and I both know too things:
1. This would only be implemented AFTER Illegals already here were given Amnesty
2. The implementation would be lackluster at best, just like the anemic or nonexistent way the punishments included in Reagan's Amnesty bill were implemented.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Back to the title of the thread. It seems to me that Obama kos that passing amnesty is a rough ride, so he is waiting for Kennedy and Byrd to be replaced (Kennedy is sick and Byrd voted against amnesty in 2007), and waiting for Franken to steal Coleman’s seat. Still, other Dems voted no in 2007 (McCaskill was one), and Dorgan votes with the unions. And who knows? Maybe Republicans will gain some seats if Obama waits until 2011.

[Bull Market]

“And I suppose you think America is better off with Obama destroying the American economy because McCain said that illegals that WENT BACK TO MEXICO AND GOT AT THE END OF THE GREEN CARD LINE would be considered for admission to the U.S. once their number came up many years down the road? Sheesh”

That is so idiotic. Deportation was always out of the question. Therefore as soon as any immigration reform bill would be signed, all illegals would be immune, giving them de-facto amnesty.

And we all know what McCain and his cronies idea of a border is. A few hundred miles of cameras and little else.

[roamer_1]

A fence IS the least effective.

Globalist pap.

Do you seriously believe that Mexicans have never heard of a shovel? ($100,000 stretch of fence defeated by a $10 shovel.)

You had better take another look at the specifications for Duncan Hunter's fence, which was what we were to get, until the RINO Republicans gutted it's legislation.

Do you seriously believe that Mexicans have never heard of a ramp or a ladder?

Again, the specifications of Duncan Hunter's fence make most of your examples pretty impossible to do, and certainly impossible to do on a large scale... A properly defended border is the first point of defense, and the MOST effective, both in regard to alien enforcement, and the war on drugs.

Has it ever occured to you that the most efficient way to stop the flood of illegals coming for work is to crack down on illegal EMPLOYERS [...]

Sure, ya' dumb sod. If it weren't for us hollering, Bush wouldn't have "been cracking" down at all.

Do you realize that, after you McCain-haters helped elect the Marxist Obama, illegal alien raids have been STOPPED?

You mean like the Tyson plant, where some 500 illegal aliens were netted and 12 were deported?

Or the place up here in Oregon where 1200 were caught and 50 deported?

Please. The Republicans were merely giving the issue lip service, and that, only to shut us up. Their actions as a body stand in direct evidence against them. Quietly gutting the very legislation they hail as their defense of this nation does not endear them to us, nor does it tend to cause us to lend them trust.

Now, after you have helped get Marxist Obama in the White House, you will end up with NO fence, No raids and NO employer penalties.

If you were not so blinded by the hypocrisy it takes to be a Republican in this day and age, you would realize that your statement is a distinction without a difference.

There is NO excuse for you people helping get Barack Obama elected President of the United States. NO excuse whatsoever.

There is no excuse for Globalism/Socialism in the Republican Party. No excuse whatsoever. *Nothing* you can say can possibly defend it. I did not help Obama get elected. I stood for nothing other than Reagan Conservative principles, just as I always do, and stood against the Globalist/Socialists wherever they were.

By supporting a Socialist/Globalist agenda within the Republican Party, and allowing it to stand, you forced me and my kind to stand against you, as much as we stood against the Democrats. You made your own bed. Now lie in it.

[roamer_1]

You, my friend, are full of it!

Agreed, and with gusto!

I like it better when you and I agree, FRiend. It used to happen all the time.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Bump Dat!

[roamer_1]

Back to the title of the thread. It seems to me that Obama kos that passing amnesty is a rough ride, so he is waiting [...] And who knows? Maybe Republicans will gain some seats if Obama waits until 2011.

I think they have to make this play by the end of summer, or fail. By fall, the 2010 elections will be looming large, and trying to get Union backed, and Blue Dog Democrats, to toe the line would seem to be an impossible obstacle, even with the aide of treacherous RINOs.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Thanks. In a strange way, an unemployment rate of 10% this year might be a good thing, if you know what I mean.

I wonder which traitor RINOs we will get on the next amnesty. Could Obama antagonize McCain and Graham so much on other issues that they would oppose him on amnesty? Probably not. McCain will probably be one of the amnesty leaders, no matter how obnoxious Obama is on other issues.

[roamer_1]

Thanks for the reply. Nice to "see" you. :D

In a strange way, an unemployment rate of 10% this year might be a good thing, if you know what I mean.

Yes, I do know what you mean, though I would rather not wish this mess on anyone. It would be far better if our politicians (on BOTH sides of the aisle), and our traders, had some sense of honor and loyalty to their own.

I wonder which traitor RINOs we will get on the next amnesty. Could Obama antagonize McCain and Graham so much on other issues that they would oppose him on amnesty?

I am quite inclined to be in agreement with you, although it is likely that Graham will lead the RINO herd, and McCain't will be more subdued. Especially if we are getting into the campaign season- Remember, McCain't is up for election, and is liable to have a challenger on the right with national bias running strongly against him... He will be putting on his "conservative" hat a little early, I'll bet.

My hopes lie with the House anyway. The Blue Dogs are already chaffing from the liberal authoritarian leadership, and I fully expect them to rebel (no pun intended). They will eventually join with the Conservative Republicans (100 strong), as they always wind up doing. Let's hope it happens soon. And the Union states, particularly the Rust Belt, will be hard pressed to agree with Amnesty. I think the House is where the success or failure will lie.

The Senate is a grim picture. I do not think the Republicans can hold off an amnesty vote there. Too many willing accomplices on the right side of the aisle, and too many deal makers generally. Senators really should go back to being appointed by the states. What a bunch of whores.