Posted on 03/20/2009 1:28:51 PM PDT by GonzoII
You have it backwards. The US Constitution was written on September 17, 1787 and ratified on June 21, 1788. The storming of the Bastille did not occur until 1789. It was the French who were (badly) trying to copy the ideas of the US Revolution.
I think you are confusing the return of Christ, and the establishment of His Kingdom, with going back to the days when the Roman Catholic Church both propped up, or placed upon a throne earthly kings, along with occasionally toppling them also.
I am under no such illusions.
If we accept that monarchy will be established on the ruins of previous system then this is obvious that the new king will be chosen by God who give him courage to act and inspire some group of faithful Catholics to back his claims. This is the best interest of all member of the Church of the Christ to achieve this goal faster than every other leftist idiot willing to establish some dictatorship.
I think that your heretical claims will prevent us from reaching any agreement.
I agree the French Revolution was terrible, taking its humanism too far and focusing on the wrong Enlightenment values (equality rather than liberty). But as I said, the Enlightenment was not one monolithic movement, with both classically liberal and liberal/equality-focused branches. There’s a lot of merit in the former.
I can’t advocate a monarchy where any mortal is the monarch. Men -will- fail. So it’s nice to have peaceful options to bring new folks in to leadership.
I am thinking something more along the lines of “term limits” rather than “monarchy”
If he tried to exert unelected authority over me, there would be only one decision for you and your Catholic followers to make about your monarch; closed or open casket.
I will adjust my aim accordingly.
Liberty means very little for most of Enlightenment worshippers. Their understanding of liberty is seriously flawed, this is rather libertine anarchy. Average citizen of late European kingdoms was freer than citizen of modern democratic state (or rather pseudo democratic, because if Switzerland would not exist I would say that democracy is a total utopia).
Read something from Hans Hermann Hoppe about “time preference” under monarchy and democracy (term limits).
I think that you would be free to vote by your foots...
The Lord's Kingdom is beyond the organizational & hierarchically bound & limited powers of men.
There are plenty in the Vatican who would not declare me a heretic for holding such views, nor would hurl the epithet for my speaking about various aspects of world history. Many there (I have faith) have deeper understanding of the Spirit, and the Word than I many times see exhibited here on FR threads, amongst certain [but not all] self-professing Catholics.
If you expect full agreement with what is your own limited understanding of true orthodoxy, then yes, we would most likely not be able to come to full agreement.
If that equates to "any agreement", it appears a shame that you would limit your own side of "things" so much.
I think you should come visit a Texas gun show sometime. There's enough ammo here to kill millions of theocrats, and enough of us to make sure your King was dead before he crossed the Red River.
PS thanks for giving gun shows a bad name. This from someone who goes to them often.
You are correct.
Thank you for the post Gonzo and thank you for the ping, Deb!
A theocrat who asserts his rule over me because he claims God crowned him monarch?
How could you expect me to not fight back.
I think it's amazing there's Freepers who believe this type of hokum. I'd just like to give the theocrats out there a heads up as to what will happen if you try to establish a dictatorial religious regime. You're no different than Ahmadinejad and you'll be dealt with as such.
Buzz off, jerk. I didn't assert anything about this fellow and God proclaiming his monarchy. And now you threaten me, after threatening him with an assassination?
Shut up, and go threaten someone who might be deserving.
"If we accept that monarchy will be established on the ruins of previous system then this is obvious that the new king will be chosen by God who give him courage to act and inspire some group of faithful Catholics to back his claims."
That's what my assassination comment was referring to.
My comments were in no way directed at the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, who in post #4 I called "a good guy."
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