Posted on 03/20/2009 1:28:51 PM PDT by GonzoII
So you think that a monarchy can be superior to the Constitution of the United States.
Oh and the USSR and PRC? Are you joking?
Grow up. I've seen 'way too much outright fraud to buy into that silly notion even for a moment.
Are you trying to discredit yourself? You're darned close to doing it.
And anybody who sees anything at all good in the French Revolution has already discredited himself.
< snort > THAT outdated, repudiated rag? What has it got to do with any government in 2009?
Yeah, it was an interesting idea, back in 1789. Too bad it's only an historical curiosity, now.
And to be perfectly clear, to both of you: I think that government itself is what "sucks" ... the form thereof is virtually irrelevant. Our much vaunted Constitution has proven utterly incapable of protecting itself, or limiting government. A monarchy or dictatorship is only as good or bad as the monarch or dictator. One could be very free (in the sense of being left alone to do one's thing) under a monarch who knows better than to go meddling in folks' lives. One can be very unfree under a supposedly democratic or republican government, when it (by popular demand) turns into the nanny-state. Or worse.
If I ever see a primogeniture king in the United States, ruling me by perceived birthright, I will shoot him on sight.
Does this sound anything like an election to you?
Your knowledge of history is appalling. You're just thossing out names like Stalin and the PRC with no logical reason (although maybe you don't believe in logic--it does seem like one of those evil Enlightenment values), hoping that somehow you can tar democracy by association when no association exists.
You in part, somewhat sensibly implored;
Hate to tell 'ya ---but Check out this guy, B-Chan, @ post # 24
Here's a piece of the guy's mind;
The tagline is a real loo-loo, too.
He's been here a while. I assume he hasn't yet attempted to institute a Catholic monarchy in Texas, though, since he's obviously still breathing.
Form of government is all important to you. Substance thereof? Not so much, apparently.
USSR had "elections". They were "free". Just ask 'em ...
Communism is and was completely a product of the so-called enlightenment. PRC and USSR came into being as the result of communist revolutions.
Not necessarily. There are some democracies and republics that I would never live in, such as the People's Republic of California, or most European democracies.
But I would never under any circumstances live in a place where the head of state was a monarch who held real power and acquired that power by birthright. If said person attempted to rule the United States, I would join the long line of people waiting to put a bullet in his head.
Yes, and we mustn’t forget Iran’s popularly elected President who expects an imminent return of the Thirteenth Imam and plans to celebrate by nuking Israel.
I’m increasingly fond of Switzerland’s highly decentralized system in which the President serves a one-year term.
Just because they used the word “election” doesn’t mean they were elections, anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church is counts a “Baptist” or “Christian.”
In the USSR, a small minority seized control through revolution, unchecked by a poorly designed democratic process. Once they had control, there was nothing democratic about their government. The PRC took control through armed revolution, without even a pretense of democracy.
Communism may in a sense be a product of the Enlightenment, in the same way Islam is a product of Christianity and Judaism, but those countries most strongly influenced by the Enlightenment were the ones that stood most strongly against communism in the 20th century.
That's what ANY nation becomes when it loses its Divine anchoring.
Do you thing the US will be immune from the dustbin of history because of our great Constitution? It's worthless without God.
Funny that it doesn't mention God except in the date.
The United States Peoples' Republic of America is far more abusive of your natural rights than King George III ever dreamt of ... and has legalized the murder of far more innocent people than Stalin ever managed.
All under the auspices of our sainted and all-holy Constitution.
You, right now, have a president (who may have been elected illegally, but the courts don't seem to care) more abusive of your rights than any historical monarch ... what are you "lined up" to do about it, and what do you think the odds of success are?
Looks to me like some folks are willing to suffer any abuse, so long as it's "democratic".
Doesn't seem very "enlightened", or "rational" to me.
Who? Socialist France? Socialist Britain? Germany????
Stuff and nonsense.
Yeah ... the West fought a great Cold War against communism. We won the war ... and we're losing the peace. Wonderful ...
Don't try to dissociate communism from the so-called enlightenment, either. That's dishonest.
Just saying it doesn't make it true.
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