Posted on 03/21/2009 7:02:03 AM PDT by Liz
JOHN BROWN FORT
I hope John Brown is where he belongs. In Hell.
IMHO, the 'Tipping Point' occurred somewhat earlier... either the Kansas-Nebraska Act or the Dred Scott decision.
I’m a direct descendent of the terrorist.
John Brown did not end slavery, he sure as hell started the war that ended it.
And he belongs in Hell?
I’m so confused
He was a terrorist and a cold-blooded murderer, no better than Mohammed Atta.
That cellar was a small, low-ceilinged, dank and creepy place with no electricity or even a thought of ever putting any in. I would not have stayed in it overnight for a dollar back then... wouldn't do it today. Maybe it was more congenial in the 1850's.
Mr. niteowl77
Whether it is John Brown, Hitler, Jefferson Davis, Abraham Lincoln, Barak Obama, or Jeffrey Dahmer, I don't wish anyone in hell. I may repudiate their actions. I may despise what they have done. But I leave that up to their maker to judge their actions.
Mohammed Atta? RIght.
He was a Christian who believed the Bible was the final truth regarding in abolition of slavery
“This court acknowledges, as I suppose, the validity of the law of God. I see a book kissed here which I suppose to be the Bible, or at least the New Testament. That teaches me that all things whatsoever I would that men should do to me, I should do even so to them. It teaches me, further, to “remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them.” I endeavored to act up to that instruction. I say, I am yet too young to understand that God is any respecter of persons. I believe that to have interfered as I have done as I have always freely admitted I have done in behalf of His despised poor, was not wrong, but right. Now, if it is deemed necessary that I should forfeit my life for the furtherance of the ends of justice, and mingle my blood further with the blood of my children and with the blood of millions in this slave country whose rights are disregarded by wicked, cruel, and unjust enactments, I submit; so let it be done!”
Excerpt from a speech given by John Brown in court after his conviction
So you’re equating John Brown with William Ayers through BHO because Ayers grew up in BHO’s neighborhood?
What’s the Brown connection? Oh, I got it. BHO is brown and Brown is, well Brown.
Silly me.
Prelude perhaps but not the tipping point which would be the Morril Tariff which was a wholesale plunder.
Yeah, he was so good of a Christian that he and his cronies hacked up five Kansans in 1856 and then at Harper's Ferry, killed a free black baggage handler named Hayward Shepherd, Mayor Fontaine Beckham, civilians Thomas Boerly and George W. Turner, two local slaves, and U.S. Marines Luke Quinn and Matthew Ruppert.
Yep, Brown's a real Christian hero who Jesus would be really proud of.
equating John Brown with William Ayers because: advancing their cause through terrorism. Many people also consider William Ayers noble and heroic.
That is always a topic of heated debate. I love my history and just visited Harper’s Ferry in September. I admit I am someone who empathizes with John Brown. What to do when faced with the brutal practice of slavery when people were at the mercy of their ‘master’? And when you realize what was going on in Kansas and the war and violence and mock ‘elections’ and no real rule of law. But that history is fascinating and the story of the Browns and their sacrifices to something they felt there was no other way to solve it. And they were right.
The men murdered in the massacre were leaders in the pro-slavery movement that incited violence and murder in Kansas and led the movement of fraud at the ballots. There was blatant injustice going on in Kansas and they sought leading figures out. I believe it is more on a militia movement for freedom like the American Revolution and when you don’t even have your gov’t to protect you and your rights and sanctioning a brutal practice that left those enslaved to be murdered, brutalized at the will of their ‘masters’, it was not so easy to just put it like that. Desperate times called for desperate measures.
There was a lot of sacrifice by that family on a cause they so rightly felt so strong on. I believe their cause was just and slavery was a real terrorist act that left the slave to the whims of their ‘masters’.
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