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California ‘Cool’ Paints Initiative Ugly, Lazy [black cars to be banned cuz A/C ups CO2 emissions]
Ward's Auto ^ | Mar 24, 2009

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:44:00 PM PDT by John Jorsett

If California regulators get their way, auto makers may soon be forced to rewrite a cliché from the Ford Model T era and start telling customers they can have any color they want as long as it isn’t black.

Some darker hues will be available in place of black, but right now they are indentified internally at paint suppliers with names such as “mud-puddle brown” and are truly ugly substitutes for today’s rich ebony hues.

So buy a black car now, because soon they won’t be available or will look so putrid you won’t want one. And that’s too bad, because paint suppliers say black is the second- or third-most popular vehicle color around the world.

The problem stems from a new “cool paints” initiative from the California Air Resources Board. CARB wants to mandate the phase-in of heat-reflecting paints on vehicle exteriors beginning with the ’12 model year, with all colors meeting a 20% reflectivity requirement by the ’16 model year.

Because about 17 other states tend to follow California’s regulatory lead, as many as 40% of the vehicles sold in the U.S. could be impacted by the proposed directive, suppliers say.

The measure is aimed at reducing carbon-dioxide emissions and improving fuel economy by keeping vehicles cooler on sunny days and decreasing the amount of time drivers use their air conditioners.

The rationale goes like this: Vehicle AC units sap engine power and hurt fuel economy. If vehicle paint and glass reflect more heat, car interiors will be cooler. That means drivers will use their AC units less, the compressors won’t have to work as hard and auto makers will be able to use smaller AC units in the future.

Reflective coatings and glazing (glass) already have proven to save energy when used on buildings, and this legislation is based on architectural standards.

On the surface, it’s not a bad idea, but fundamental issues reveal profoundly flawed legislation: Buildings and vehicles are manufactured and recycled differently, and no one buys a building based on its color.

Another troublesome fact: Heat-reflecting paints for black and other dark colors on vehicles have not been invented yet.

Paint suppliers also say heat-reflecting pigments that could be used in automotive applications contain toxic heavy metals that cause environmental damage and create health and safety issues during manufacturing and recycling.

At least one auto maker estimates the additional cost of using these paints at $100 per car, not counting required changes to assembly plant painting systems, which could be significant.

So far, auto makers are holding their tongues on this subject, but automotive paint suppliers, such as PPG Industries, are tearing their hair out.

“PPG obviously has a very large architectural division that paints lots of buildings,” says Connie Poulsen, global director-product management, at PPG. “The theory when (CARB) started this was you take the pigments used in buildings and put them into car paints. That’s a good theory; unfortunately it doesn’t quite work that easily. Believe me, we tested it right away.”

“Requirements for color palettes are different, the process is different, the pigments used are different,” Poulsen says, adding that new automotive paint systems also have to undergo two years of rigorous testing before being approved for production. That’s yet another item government bureaucrats never considered – along with 3-year product lead times.

Some California rules are problematic because they are utopian and unworkable. This legislation is flat-out lazy. It’s a cut-and-paste job from the state building code that ignores smarter, more-effective automotive solutions already in production or on the way, such as more efficient AC units and solar-powered ventilation fans that work automatically when a car is parked in the sun.

Struggling auto makers and suppliers must not be forced to waste their limited resources on the cool paints initiative, an ill-informed wasteful boondoggle that embarrasses the environmental movement.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: calregulation; carb; econazis; globalwarming
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To: John Jorsett

While I wouldn’t own a black car simply because they show dirt and scratches so easily and require frequent washing to look their best, this is just insane. Are they also going to ban black car interiors? Black car covers? I can’t believe this will ever make it into law.


41 posted on 03/25/2009 2:15:57 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Too sad to be funny.
42 posted on 03/25/2009 2:16:26 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: John Jorsett
Now that's racist
43 posted on 03/25/2009 2:19:30 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: John Jorsett

All cars parked in the sun reach the same equilibrium temperature inside.


44 posted on 03/25/2009 2:25:18 PM PDT by Spirochete
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To: John Jorsett

I’m waiting for California to ban sporting events as athletes breathe harder and thus exhale more C02. The California Legislature obviously doesn’t understand that air conditioning in cars helps gas mileage. Driving with the windows open increases drag and reduces mileage. I seem to recall a study that showed driving with the A/C on has no measurable effect on gas mileage as the increased gasoline used by the A/c is offset by the mileage gained from reducing drag.


45 posted on 03/25/2009 2:26:26 PM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Are they also going to ban black car interiors? Black car covers?

Shingles, asphalt, tires.....
46 posted on 03/25/2009 2:27:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: John Jorsett

Dark colors are nice if you are in Northern California or the mountains.


47 posted on 03/25/2009 2:29:09 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Mojave
Will we be allowed to drive black cars in the winter to the energy used to heat them

In fact, you will probably be required to have two cars: one flat black and one white. Or better yet, covered with mirrors.

48 posted on 03/25/2009 2:33:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: John Jorsett

CARB = Bend over and spread ‘em.


49 posted on 03/25/2009 2:35:48 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: IYAS9YAS
I think the color of the car might make a slight difference, but there are many other factors as well. Your minivan has lots of big windows which let in the heat.
I have a light colored Mazda 5 which has a large, sloping front window, and it seems to be hotter inside than other cars I have owned. The interior is black/grey as well, which probably doesn't help.
I wonder if they make any cars with LowE glass? They would sell well in south TX.
50 posted on 03/25/2009 2:41:45 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Dear Mr. Obama - Please make it rain candy! P.S. I like jelly beans.)
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51 posted on 03/25/2009 2:42:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: steve86
I disagree: my white topped cars stay pretty cool, but I sure as H don’t think it should be law.

Windows make a bigger difference with respect to interior heat than does paint color.

52 posted on 03/25/2009 2:47:20 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: Lurker

In a very real sense, the force has already BEEN initiated... by CARB, in many areas. Stringing the members of CARB from the nearest lamppost could not possibly be an INITIATION, but purely self defense.


53 posted on 03/25/2009 2:50:27 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: smokingfrog
I have a light colored Mazda 5 which has a large, sloping front window, and it seems to be hotter inside than other cars I have owned.

Yes, windows are the biggest factor. However, all things being equal, both light and dark vehicles, of the same make and model, will heat to the same point.

The fact is, the interior of a car can get well over 100 degrees in the summer, regardless of exterior color. At this point, as was noted in an earlier post, the A/C is coming on, and likely staying on.

54 posted on 03/25/2009 2:54:15 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: John Jorsett

crap! Does this mean I can’t wear black shoes while driving a white car? Or is it white shoes while driving a black car?


55 posted on 03/25/2009 2:58:41 PM PDT by sfvgto (Dear Congress, my name is Jimmie....gimmie, gimmie, gimmie)
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To: sfvgto

Before Labor Day or after?


56 posted on 03/25/2009 3:04:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: John Jorsett

Zero’s car is black.


57 posted on 03/25/2009 3:09:26 PM PDT by Excellence (What Madoff is to finance Gore is to global warming.)
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To: smokingfrog
The color does make a big difference! I live in the high desert in California where it gets over 110 in the summer...for weeks! Fortunately its dry heat for the most part. My silver truck is much cooler (grey interior) no tinted windows, than my dark red (black and grey interior) car (Focus) with tinted windows with a huge sloped windshield. And I use windshield blockers when my vehicles are parked, it is either that or I have to wear gloves to touch the steering wheel.

Just more ways the government can control us. But when the government starts dictating what color your car can be, or how big your TV can be (Obummer wouldn't be able to bring the BIG TOTUS into CA...wastes too much energy) what next? The size of your house in relation to how big your household is? As it is, we're in a drought and my city is sending drivers around as water police. But God forbid you can't just let your lawn die, that's a ticket right there. They catch you hosing your driveway, or "wasting water" you get a ticket...that just happened to my neighbor last week.

58 posted on 03/25/2009 3:11:29 PM PDT by aubreys_mom
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To: Still Thinking

pretty soon the Washington D.C. fudgepackers will have everyone driving lavender cars while wearing pink shoes


59 posted on 03/25/2009 3:24:28 PM PDT by sfvgto (Dear Congress, my name is Jimmie....gimmie, gimmie, gimmie)
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To: lormand
California - Finally a State Louisiana can make fun of

In the space of 50 years, Kalifornia has gone from a place to go where there was opportunity.....

.....to a place that must be avoided because of economic and social decay.

It's sad really.

60 posted on 03/25/2009 3:38:46 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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