[muawiyah]

The problem is the Antichrist cannot quite see the future so he imagines his own actions are primary in the forming of what will be.

His acolytes are no better at it.

Someone like this is probably so far deep into Outer Darkness there's no Hope for a return.

[Lauren BaRecall]

Someone like this is probably so far deep into Outer Darkness there's no Hope for a return.

I disagree. There's Bernard Nathanson, for example.