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1 posted on 03/27/2009 2:28:12 PM PDT by NavVet
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Vaporware.


2 posted on 03/27/2009 2:29:54 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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and you can charge it from any outlet, without ever stopping for gas.

Duh. Same for diesel and air cars.

How long does it take to recharge from a 110 VAC, 20A outlet?

3 posted on 03/27/2009 2:30:13 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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Does the range go down if you turn the heat on in winter?


4 posted on 03/27/2009 2:31:00 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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“charge it from any outlet”

But,,, once The Dear Leader triples the price of electricity, and installs a “smart meter” on your house,,,,,,,,,,,


5 posted on 03/27/2009 2:31:20 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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Not very wise giving a down payment on a car that does not exist to a company that may not exist tomorrow...


8 posted on 03/27/2009 2:33:26 PM PDT by DB
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They said you can do quick 5 minute battery swap instead of a 45 minute recharge.
LOL! Yeah, that would be great having to swap batteries every 300 miles on my $50,000 car.


11 posted on 03/27/2009 2:37:56 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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Pfffft. The guys on Top Gear reviewed the Tesla Roadster. Gorgeous car. Also electric. Zero to 60 in 3.7 seconds. Handled pretty well. Some serious reliability issues. They didn’t get the 200 miles per charge, averaging about 55 miles, but then they were running it flat out on their track. And it’ll only set you back a cool 190,000 Pounds.


13 posted on 03/27/2009 2:40:40 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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More than a few..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;q=quick;s=Tesla


15 posted on 03/27/2009 2:41:14 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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If this actually comes about, and that is a big IF, I’m going to be very happy.

Tesla Motors is NOT A GOVERNMENT SPONSORED CAR MAKER!!!! How is it that the ‘Chevy Volt’ is still not here and we’ve been dumping billions into that program and yet some Silicon Valley retiree decides to start his own car company and he has cut the learning curve down to 12 months and they are going to end up at the same price target but with way better performance and way better style and endurance.

If consumers want electric F’ing cars, let them buy them from companies who aren’t idiots and can make cars that people actually want. NOBODY IS LINING UP TO PAY $40K+ FOR THAT STUPID CHEVY VOLT!!! Yet the US government is loaning tens of billions to Detroit in order to make crap that pleases environmentalist (who don’t even like cars) and politicians but not the people who put 20,000 miles a year on their cars year after year.


16 posted on 03/27/2009 2:43:41 PM PDT by bpjam (Tell your Rep/Senator to Google: Marjorie Mezvinsky. Yes, it IS a threat.)
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50k


17 posted on 03/27/2009 2:46:50 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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It’s not a bad looking car at all. Slap a real motor in it (and not charge me an arm and a leg) and I might buy one.


20 posted on 03/27/2009 2:49:11 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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50K for a car...No thanks.


27 posted on 03/27/2009 2:57:06 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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I think a good business to look at would be mobil recharging trucks, just plug into a generator on a flat bed and charge as you drive down the road - like the plane in-flight refueling?
31 posted on 03/27/2009 3:00:24 PM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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They yet have to show me a single advantage over Diesel power.
32 posted on 03/27/2009 3:02:08 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuSkdo1qswk


43 posted on 03/27/2009 3:16:50 PM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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Why does the name Preston Tucker keep popping into my head?


44 posted on 03/27/2009 3:20:24 PM PDT by RedWireNut
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Here is an article from Popular Mechanics which has some details about the Tesla Model S's drivetrain:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4310750.html

According to the article, the standard battery pack has a 42 KW-hr capacity and the standard range is 160 miles. They also indicate that the 45-minute "quick charge" might be done at a recharging station between SF and LA (Google Maps says 323 miles). They also indicate that the charge time might be 4 hours using a standard 120V, 20A household outlet. The article further states that "Up to a 240-volt, 70-amp charging setup is possible, they say, in home applications". The article also states that the curb weight of the Model S is just over 4000 pounds...
So let's run the numbers:

Take the 120V solution first. Let's assume we are using the 42 KW-hr standard battery pack. We can expect a maximum of 120V times 20A = 2400 watts from our outlet. In four hours of charging, you have put 9.6 KW-hr of energy into the 42 KW-hr battery -- about 23 percent of battery capacity. With efficiency losses, it would take maybe 18 hours to charge the battery pack to 100 percent from a wall outlet. So that 4-hour charge claim does not hold water.

But let's press on. Assume that we have fully charged our 42 KW-hr battery pack and we leave LA toward the charging station. At 60 miles per hour, it will take 2.67 hours to reach the 160 station. During this time, we are discharging the battery pack at 42 KW-hr divided by 2.67 hours or a rate of 15.7 KW which converts to 21 HP. Can the 4000-lb Model S go 60 mph using 21 HP? I doubt it. So the second claim is questionable.

Now let's look at this "quick charge" claim. Every energy-conversion process produces less than 100 percent efficiency; the losses are typically in the form of heat. Let's assume 95 percent of the energy charges the battery and the other 5 percent is converted to heat in the battery. Then we have to supply 44.2 KW-hr of energy to the battery terminals in 45 minutes. This represents a useful wattage of 58.9 KW with 2.45 KW of heat -- equivalent to the heat produced by a baking element on an electric range. Hopefully the "quick charge" station has a really big fan to cool our battery! There is no fan in existence big enough to cool Tesla's hype.
60 posted on 03/27/2009 6:14:52 PM PDT by normanpubbie
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