Posted on 04/03/2009 12:00:09 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
Judges on Homosexual Marriage in Iowa: “Rule it and they will come.”
“Hurley acknowledged that until a constitutional amendment could be placed on the ballot, theres nothing gay-marriage opponents can do to stop gay couples from marrying in Iowa. The soonest such a vote could take place would be 2012.”
Not true. Religious leaders are already conferring about an appeal that could be made within the next few days. There is a rock solid legal argument that this new social engineering abridges the rights of religions institutions to refuse to perform artificial homosexual unions. The new ruling threatens to criminalize preachers and ministers who believe that the homosexual lifestyle is unhealthy and immoral. Just like the public decency and morality clauses that many civil service jobs require, the clergy cannot be forced to acknowledge such perverted same-sex union.
“A neighbor had reported a ‘disturbance’ and the police entered. The police had probable cause to enter. The neighbor, however, later admitted to lying about it, and pled no contest to filing a false police report.”
Same thing. If someone calls the cops and reports they saw someone being bound and gagged in a neighbor’s home, the police have an obligation to investigate. Even if the neighbor lied, if the police find a homosexual inside the home abusing a child, they can still prosecute. It was all done under probable cause. As much as liberals want to condone homosexual sodomy, it was illegal at the time. So the cops were only following the law.
I didn’t say the police acted improperly. I was just correcting the assertion that they entered the home to execute a warrant to arrest someone. They did come with a warrant.
“In the end it will be difficult for the opponents of gay marriage to work their way around the Equal Protection Clause.”
How so? Sexual preference is a behavior, not a physical trait like skin color. The liberal DemRats are always trying to equate the two, but that argument is totally illogical. There is no “Equal Protection” when it comes to a sexual lifestyle choice. Otherwise polygamists and others would have special rights.
From Colin Powell’s autobiography:
“I think it would be prejudicial to good order and discipline to try to integrate gays and lesbians in the current military structure.” “Skin color is a benign, nonbehavioral characteristic. Sexual orientation is perhaps the most profound of human behavioral characteristics. Comparison of the two is a convenient but invalid argument.”
“The new ruling threatens to criminalize preachers and ministers who believe that the homosexual lifestyle is unhealthy and immoral. Just like the public decency and morality clauses that many civil service jobs require, the clergy cannot be forced to acknowledge such perverted same-sex union.”
How is the Iowa ruling different from, say, the one in Massachusetts? I’m asking sincerely, and not to be contrary. I’m just wondering, since you don’t hear about clergymen in other states with legal gay marriage talking about being FORCED to marry people.
My church can refuse to marry anyone they want right now. Do you really believe that this ruling would change that?
DR, Hawk720 is right.
Except - it was a put up job by the two queers so they could file this very suit. They WANTED to be arrested.
You are absolutely correct. If "sexual deviancy" is covered under the Equal Protection Clause, then not only homosexuals, but polygamists, pedophiles, zoophiles and voyeurs enjoy equal coverage.
Scalia broached this very point in Lawrence, but SCOTUS ignored it. Consequently, the courts are setting precedents that will inevitably result in even greater coarsening of society.
Illegal aliens under the Equal protectin clause cannot be denied admission to a public school.
Being an illegal alien is a behavior.
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Plyler is certainly the “odd man out” when it comes to the Court’s equal protection jurisprudence. It’d be a mistake to rely on it for much of anything. The behavior argument is unlikely to come into play anyway in future Court decisions on the matter.
Oh, and you seem to be equating support for sodomy laws with opposition to Lawrence. That’s pretty ridiculous. I’m gay and opposed to such laws , but I think Lawrence was decided on pretty shaky constitutional grounds .
“Being an illegal alien is a behavior.”
So is choice of religion. But I sure hope your not equating freedom of religion to those who choose an immoral and unhealthy sexual practice. There is no connection whatsoever.
“Im gay and opposed to such laws”
Please don’t take offense to this, but I would like to get the truth from the horse’s mouth so-to-speak. Wouldn’t you agree that the liberal homosexual activists in your community have a definite agenda which includes normalizing the behavior and getting it to be condoned in the school system? What can we as Conservatives do to stop that? I have nothing against homosexuals, just their lifestyle choice and unhealthy sexual behaviors. We just want what is best for our kids and to steer them clear of alternative lifestyles.
While Plyler may be the odd man out, it is still the law of the land.
And sooner or later, the question of gay marriage will go to the SCOTUS and such bans will be overturned.
That is not what I wish to see happen, but rather what will happen when gay marriage question is plugged into the Equal Protection Clause.
Is 6 years later too soon for the legalization of polygamy?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2211457/posts
Our neighbors to the north seem to be heading in that direction-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2212532/posts
Interesting quote from the article here-
“Given the impact on dependent children, it will not be long until plural marriage is fully legalized, either by statute or by the cumulative weight of court decisions dealing with the practical issues arising from polygamy. It took almost four decades to move from the decriminalization of homosexuality to the legalization of same-sex marriage. I doubt it would take a decade for polygamy to follow the same path.”
Way-out hyperbole on the "always".
When my mother and dad were teens in Iowa during depression years it was anything but liberal.
One dumbass judge doesn’t make a whole state liberal.
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