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Wpin: "My point is silly man"

So I am a "silly man"? Instantly you start in with insults and personal attacks. Before taking even a moment to present a fact or reasoned argument, first-things-first: you must insult me? WTF is that?

Wpin: "here you have positive evidence (the Shroud) and you ignore that for inference of material that really is irrelevant."

Now, if you have read about the Shroud then you know perfectly well the evidences is not "positive" but highly disputed and debated. That indeed is what this thread is all about.

If you have read ALL of this thread, then you know perfectly well that I have "ignored" nothing, nor presented "irrelevant" material.

Wpin: "Not very bright. But what is worse is you choose to try to belittle others for their beliefs with your nonsense..."

So, can you quote for us even ONE example where I "belittled others for their beliefs"?

For examples: did I EVER call ANYONE a "silly man" or say they were "not very bright"?

Wpin: "...the link to this thread is on the Popular Articles section in the right column..."

Now I see that. And I note nearly 12,000 views, even though just 158+ responses. Fascinating.

Wpin: "I saw the site where you probably get your information and the picture you used for your interpretation of what you think Jesus looked like...again ignoring the positive evidence for bu*lsh*t...it is just another ridiculous site spewing crap without fact or reason."

The fact is, so far as we can know, Jesus was a Semite and Semites do look somewhat different from, for example, northern Europeans. It's also a fact that Jesus was born into a lower economic status, not an upper class family, which likely meant he did not as a child eat as well or grow as tall as more priveleged children.

So when we look at average sizes for ancient Semites, we can reasonably suppose Jesus was at the lower end of the range.

That's why the question I raise is whether the Shroud image looks more like an aristocratic European or a typical poor Semite? Indeed, compare these three images, and tell us which one does not seem to fit:

Typical 1st Century Jew - Semite:

Shroud of Turin:

Wpin: "The evidence is there that the Shroud of Turin is real, there is no other example in the world that replicates it, and science today cannot replicate it accurately. So, of course you would say it must be fake...because he is too tall and doesn’t look what you and other bigoted idiots consider to be Jewish...what a stupid position to take to discuss the Son of God. Grow up."

In fact, if real evidence were there that the Shroud is what it's said to be, then the debate would be over, wouldn't it?

But the truth is, much of the evidence that reasonable people would ask for is not there. Even something as obvious and readily doable as carbon 14 dating is not indisputably established. So the probability remains that the image is of someone other than Jesus.

I could go on, but it seems that you view this exchange as just a great opportunity to throw insults and invective at me, so perhaps we should leave it go at that?

You are kidding right? You actually believe the crap you are spewing? I realize from reading your posts that you are not able to discern something like positive evidence...

Listen silly man, the science that was presented in a documentary shown on Discovery Channel was very strong in favor of the Shroud of Turin being authentic. The imagery has never been replicated by nature nor by man. The science that would be involved in doing so accurately from a forensic point of view was not available at any time in the medieval period. The part of the cloth that was sampled for the Carbon 14 test was a repaired section from the middle ages. Your ridiculous speculation regarding height and the “Jewish Look” (hahahaha) is truly laughable.

Bet you don’t know that during the bronze age Greeks were taller than modern day Greeks...but in any event I have read Swordmaker’s remarks regarding Jesus’ height estimation from the Shroud of Turin. I think his is much more detailed and accurate.

I saw the website you probably got your information from...it was also laughable. Just a bunch of garbage being spewed by brainless atheistic morons who clearly have too much time on their hands.

I especially enjoyed your “proof” of the Northern European look...the picture from a modern movie...that really was perfect!

Perhaps you will find the truth in Monty Python’s movie The Holy Grail or whatever the title is...

In any event...have a fun rest of your life, I have to tell you I hope to see your posts in the future...I love a good laugh.