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Leave Turkey’s bid to join EU to us, Nicolas Sarkozy warns Barack Obama
TIMES ONLINE ^ | April 6, 2009 | David Charter in Prague

Posted on 04/05/2009 7:54:37 PM PDT by Cincinna

The love-in between Nicolas Sarkozy and Barack Obama proved short-lived after the French President warned his US counterpart yesterday to keep his nose out of the issue of Turkey’s membership of the European Union.

President Obama used his first EU-US summit, on the eve of his visit to Turkey, to encourage European leaders to embrace the Muslim country and “anchor it in Europe”. However, Mr Sarkozy, a long-standing opponent of full membership for Turkey, rebuffed the US leader in language that seemed to sour the revival of Franco-US relations.

Support for Turkey in joining the EU, a process that it began formally in 2005 and hopes to complete before 2020, has long been an American foreign policy goal.

Mr Obama, who flew to Turkey last night, clearly wanted to leave on a positive note. He told EU leaders: “The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence.

“Moving forward towards Turkish membership in the EU would be an important signal of your commitment to this agenda and ensure that we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe.”

Mr Sarkozy, who has talked of offering Turkey a privileged partnership rather than membership, did not wait to hit back. “I have been working hand in hand with President Obama but when it comes to the European Union it is up to member states of the European Union to decide [on membership],” Mr Sarkozy said in an interview on French television. “I have always been opposed to this entry and I remain opposed,” he added.

His comments laid bare the continuing EU split over Turkish membership, with France and Austria openly opposed and deep reservations in Germany and the Netherlands

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeu; bhovisit; eu; euussummit; france; sarkozy; turkey

1 posted on 04/05/2009 7:54:37 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

I gotta go with the Frogs on this one. We aren’t an EU member (yet—wait until Obambi makes us socialist).


2 posted on 04/05/2009 7:57:02 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Cincinna; nctexan; MassachusettsGOP; paudio; ronnie raygun; Minette; fieldmarshaldj; untenured; ...

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Obama is making a huge mistake in issuing such a direct challenge to Sarko.

President Sarkozy: “I have been working hand in hand with President Obama but when it comes to the European Union it is up to member states of the European Union to decide [on membership],” Mr Sarkozy said in an interview on French television. “I have always been opposed to this entry and I remain opposed,” he added. “

His Barckness, in his arrogance, is overstepping his bounds if he thinks he can dictate to the Europeans, especially to the French, as to what is in their best political and economic influence.

Sarko is the more politically astute and more intelligent of the two. Obviously.


3 posted on 04/05/2009 7:59:53 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: Cincinna

Um hellllooooo, Sarko. Does Robert Gibbs need to remind you Obama is king of the world?


4 posted on 04/05/2009 8:00:16 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Cincinna

Why not? Turkey is full of secular half-Muslims ... just like President Urkel.


5 posted on 04/05/2009 8:01:16 PM PDT by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: Cincinna

II wonder if Sarkozy has an opinion on whether New Zealand should be allowed to join the United States? Perhaps Barack Hussein Obama ought to ask him for guidance on this matter.


6 posted on 04/05/2009 8:01:37 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Cincinna

They haven’t figured it out yet...Bammy don’t know how to talk Turkey...


7 posted on 04/05/2009 8:04:48 PM PDT by jessduntno ("reckless speculation by bankers in New York is inflicting pain...around the world." - FUBO)
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To: Lysandru

That’s because Sarko is more pro-America than our current illegal-alien president. It’s always a breath of fresh air when someone tells Obsama to stick it.


8 posted on 04/05/2009 8:07:21 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Cincinna
There are 20 million Muslims already living in Western Europe. Add Turkey to the EU, a country of 70 million, which is 99% Muslim (taking into consideration the declining native European birthrates) and there will be Sharia law everywhere in very short order.

Excellent article...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/12/why_europe_went_wrong_on_israe.html

9 posted on 04/05/2009 8:10:21 PM PDT by dianed
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Before Turkey took 6 zeros off it in 2005 the Turkey Lira was:

1.00 US DOLLAR (USD) = 1580999.75 TURKISH LIRA (TRL)

France, Netherlands, Austria and Germany have reason to fear the Turkish Hordes. Heck, they still want Spain back.

yitbos

10 posted on 04/05/2009 8:11:23 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Cincinna

Obama gets told by the French. Oh, geez. This is the US President? The French?


11 posted on 04/05/2009 8:12:13 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: max americana

My son was a missionary in South America and when visiting him, I asked a number of people there what they thought of the United States. Their biggest gripe was U.S. meddling in their country’s business. If Obama was to change the view of America around the world, he sure blew it with this nonsense.

I am pleased, however, that Sarko has the cajones to stand up to him.


12 posted on 04/05/2009 8:12:51 PM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: Cincinna

0 wants to be the big cheese.


13 posted on 04/05/2009 8:21:21 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“Hope” he stays over there long enough to let the others see the “change” we are dealing with. They too will grow to despise the empty suit.


14 posted on 04/05/2009 8:24:06 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

0 wants to be the big cheese.
He thinks he’s on a roll.


15 posted on 04/05/2009 8:25:12 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: Cincinna
But, but, but, the Euro’s are enamored with the O’s. They are mesmerized by them too, right?

Doesn't Sarkozy realize the world is now witnessing the one they have been waiting for?

/sarc off/

16 posted on 04/05/2009 8:31:38 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Cincinna

“The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence.”

How about this: Muslims get injustice, intolerance and violence under control in their own countries or their communities in countries where they’ve emigrated, then they can talk about EU membership.


17 posted on 04/05/2009 8:32:11 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Cincinna

Zero makes a speech about “ugly Americans” one day and acts like one the next!


18 posted on 04/05/2009 8:35:30 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U; Cincinna
“Hope” he stays over there long enough to let the others see the “change” we are dealing with. They too will grow to despise the empty suit.

Barack Obama really does go on a bit

Isn't it time for him to go home yet? It is good, in theory, that the new President of the United States is taking so much time to tour Europe. He arrived in London last Tuesday, has been to Strasbourg, Prague yesterday and now he's off to Turkey. It shows, I suppose, that he cares about the outside world and that is 'A Good Thing'. But his long stay means that we are hearing rather a lot from him, way too much in fact.

His speeches have long under-delivered, usually leaving a faintly empty sensation in this listener even though I welcomed, moderately, his victory last year as offering the possibility of a fresh start and a boost to confidence.

Yet, we are told that he is a great orator and in one way he certainly is. He does have a preternatural calm in the spotlight and a mastery of the cadences we associate with the notable speakers in US history - such as JFK and MLK. But beyond that, am I alone in finding him increasingly to be something of a bore?

His performance at the first press conference in London with Gordon Brown featured moments in which he sparkled - his riff on loving the Queen was a high-point. But most of the serious answers that I listened to were interminable, windy and not very impressive. At points there were pauses so long that it appeared he had simply lost his train of thought. . . .

yitbos

19 posted on 04/05/2009 8:37:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: svxdave

Oh you don’t have to explain that to me. I’m originally from canada and we were indoctrinated since 1st grade that the Americans are baaaaad. From the media to the CBC, same ole same ole. The outside world , mind you, prays for a weak America.
Even if Sarko told that to W if he were still prez, I would still have sided with Sarko.


20 posted on 04/05/2009 8:43:29 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Cincinna
Obama is just restating the Bush administration position. President Bush Expresses Support To Turkey’s EU Bid At EU Summit

The US position remains unchanged. It is not an Obama challenge to Sarkozy.

21 posted on 04/05/2009 8:59:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: max americana

As an America loving immigrant, I never thought the day would come when I would root for a foreigner over an American. Now, that time is here. I’m still embarassed to have these feelings, but at least I can console myself with the thought that I’m not alone.


22 posted on 04/05/2009 9:08:04 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: DakotaRed
Maybe they think they are the ones they've been waiting for.


23 posted on 04/05/2009 9:10:08 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: definitelynotaliberal

There are a couple of LEGAL immigrants to this great nation on FR, but their names escape me for the moment. I already escaped a socialist country yet here I am observing America become one.


24 posted on 04/05/2009 9:17:20 PM PDT by max americana
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To: AmericanVictory

“The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence.”

How about this: Muslims get injustice, intolerance and violence under control in their own countries or their communities in countries where they’ve emigrated, then they can talk about EU membership.

That's the ticket, good post.
25 posted on 04/05/2009 10:08:16 PM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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To: bruinbirdman

I welcomed, moderately, his victory last year as offering the possibility of a fresh start and a boost to confidence.

Yet, we are told that he is a great orator and in one way he certainly is. He does have a preternatural calm in the spotlight and a mastery of the cadences we associate with the notable speakers in US history

A fresh start? It was clear from the beginning that the "fresh start" Obama was pushing for was the destruction of this country. Confidence in a guy with his background? More like he is a confidence man.

I don't know how that could be a positive thing in any way.

The "mastery of cadences" is a tool to lull listeners into submission not unlike what despot dictators have been doing for years.

Many in this country have fallen for it, very few at this website.

His performance at the first press conference in London with Gordon Brown featured moments in which he sparkled

He sparkled? Sparkled?

LOL, that must have been what tingled up Chris Matthews leg!

26 posted on 04/05/2009 10:19:35 PM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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To: bruinbirdman
Minus his teleprompter, I don't find him a natural speaker at all. His cadence is herky-jerky with awkward and pointless pauses that break the continuity of his train of thought. It makes him appear to be groping for profundity. No energy, no conviction. Booorrring.
27 posted on 04/05/2009 10:27:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ("Significant problems we face can not be solved by the same level of thinking that created them")
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To: Syncro
"I don't know how that could be a positive thing in any way."

Concerning what Sarkozy was talking about, leaving EU membership to the members: Hussein outright plays the race card to Europe. Let the Muslims in. They just happen to be in Turkey.

The fact is Turkey has a huge population and lots of problems, not least its propensity for military coups for religious reasons. Turkey prides itself on secular government. The last thing it needs is to be let in because of its Muslims.

yitbos

28 posted on 04/05/2009 10:28:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: svxdave

Excellent point.

One of the main complaints about America has always been that the US tries to other countries what to do within their own countries and regions.

Obama stated he was above all the “imperialism” and Hope and Change would save them, too.

Sarko has a very complete and complex understanding of the implications for France and for Europe of admitting Turkey as a full partner in the EU. Sarko doesn’t need His Barackness to tell him what is best for his own country.


29 posted on 04/05/2009 11:55:31 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: lonestar

Exactly. His Barackness feels he is oh so superior to his tacky countrymen.

I also resented his references to the US as the only country that has used nuclear weapons having the obligation to rid the world of nukes..


30 posted on 04/05/2009 11:57:52 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: kabar

Sarko is the President of France. His Barackness’ remarks were aimed at Sarko and Angela Merkel.

Sarko doesn’t need 8 speechwriters and a TelePrompTer to do the right thing.

He fired back at Obama within ten minutes. A clear warning shot across the bow.

If that was George W. Bush’s policy, I disagreed with him at the time.


31 posted on 04/06/2009 12:02:33 AM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Thanks DNL, Sarko is more pro-American and less a foreigner than the current occupant of the White House.


32 posted on 04/06/2009 12:05:21 AM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: Cincinna
I like her and how she walks down hill from the "Big Man".


33 posted on 04/06/2009 1:43:07 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: AmericanVictory
You've got it right.

“The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence.” - Barak Obama

Fine, but kissing their rings is a bit much isn't it Barak? I mean, "You won" right?

34 posted on 04/06/2009 3:44:01 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks Cincinna.


35 posted on 04/06/2009 5:09:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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additional:

Paris and Berlin bristle as Obama backs Turkey for EU
Reuters | 4/5/2009 | Kerstin Gemhlich and Mark John
Posted on 04/05/2009 10:36:24 PM PDT by mojitojoe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2223110/posts


36 posted on 04/06/2009 5:48:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: bruinbirdman

Yeah I saw that. In fact I made a pdf for future reference.
Thanks for posting it.


37 posted on 04/06/2009 6:29:35 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: Cincinna

It was Dubya’s position, no if about it. I provided you with the link. It is still US policy under Obama.


38 posted on 04/06/2009 6:29:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ArmyTeach

Excellent description.

Reagan was the best speaker. IMO
And you actually knew what he said when he finished.

No hem-hawing around, no uhs, no teleprompter, etc


39 posted on 04/06/2009 6:38:17 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: Cincinna
No different from a long line of US leaders, Obama maintains that the parastate of Turkey deserves membership in the weakened remnants of the Judaeo-Christian West.

Never mind Turkey's genocides against millions of Christians, its denial of same, its destruction of past non Turk cultural monuments similar to the Taliban, the continued murder of Christians priests and others on a daily basis, ad nauseum.

40 posted on 04/06/2009 8:12:13 AM PDT by eleni121 (Kosovo is SERBIA forever! no matter what NATO/Bush/Clinton/McCain/Obama demand)
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To: bruinbirdman
Hussein outright plays the race card to Europe. Let the Muslims in.

Islam is not a race.

But he sparkled brilliantly in his speech, it truly inspired confidence that Obama is giving us a fresh start.

41 posted on 04/06/2009 9:33:55 AM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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To: jessduntno

According to his answer to a question in Turkey, he doesn’t speak “Austrian”, either.

Obama: “There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing, and people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics,” he said in response to an Austrian reporter’s question.

The preening buffoon continues his march across Europe, impressing everyone he sees.”

Austrians speak German.

The picture that is beginning to clearly emerge is of a person raised in Muslim counries and immersed in Muslim and African culture who has no feel or understanding of Western culture. He speaks no European languages, despite his expensive education, and doesn’t understand the role of Western Europe in forming the Judeo-Christian heritage that is the underpinning of America and her values.


42 posted on 04/06/2009 1:11:20 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: kabar
"It was Dubya’s position. . ."

It was never President Bush's policy to bring in the religious factor. Turkey's military has kicked out governments because of the slightest overtures to Islam or sharia law.

Leave it up to President Hussein Obama to play the race and religious cards, especially Islam. Now, why is that?

yitbos

43 posted on 04/06/2009 3:29:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman
It was never President Bush's policy to bring in the religious factor.

You are wrong.

WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush on Tuesday said he wants Turkey to be admitted to the European Union "in the interests of peace," describing Ankara as a bridge between Europe and the Muslim world.

"Turkey sets a fantastic example for nations around the world to see where it's possible to have a democracy that co-exists with a great religion like Islam," Bush said at a White House meeting with Turkish President Abdullah Gul.

"I strongly believe that Europe will benefit when Turkey is a member of the European Union," Bush added. "It's in the interests of peace that Turkey be admitted ,/p>

44 posted on 04/06/2009 9:45:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Good find. Don't tell anybody.

yitbos

45 posted on 04/06/2009 10:25:52 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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