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To: Star Traveler

That’s a really long post for a point that’s pretty obvious. Don’t waste time lecturing those who don’t need it.

As for this issue, I think anger at the process leads to comments about no trials being needed. If it didn’t take 20 years to execute someone, you’d see far fewer of these comments.


39 posted on 04/06/2009 11:10:21 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: NinoFan

It has been settled in the past with vigilantes and will be settled in the future with vigilantes. From the beginning of time those that govern do not protect, and the governed are forced to protect themselves.


40 posted on 04/06/2009 11:14:46 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: NinoFan

You said — Don’t waste time lecturing those who don’t need it.

I have no idea who really “needs” what, when I post. I’m just commenting on stuff. The reader will have to determine what they need and don’t need. I usually figure “if the shoe fits, wear it; if not, don’t wear it...” That takes care of it fairly simply...

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And then you said — If it didn’t take 20 years to execute someone, you’d see far fewer of these comments.

From my perspective, whether it takes 20 days or 20 years to execute a guilty party, I would venture to say that people are going to be *just as upset* about a killing like this. I don’t think that they’re going to be less upset about this sort of killing of a little girl, simply on the basis that you can “churn out” the executions faster. That won’t make it any better, at all, for the little girl or the family or the public.

In the end, if the guilty party is convicted and it does take years to bring to the point of an execution, justice is being done, in any case and being done “finally”.

One could compare this to the same thing that God does, when He considers “human beings”. God says, that “right off the bat” that human beings have the *death sentence* on them and they *all deserve to die* — as all human beings are *guilty*. BUT, in spite of that *death sentence* for all human beings and the fact that all human beings are *deserving of the death sentence* — God allows “time” and “grace” for people to repent of their sins and to ask for forgiveness. God may give people a 70-year reprieve from their *death sentence* (and that *death sentence* is *well-deserved* for all people, no matter who they are).

Thus, if God gives a several year “reprieve” from your death sentence and my death sentence — then I shouldn’t think it’s too much of a problem that the guilty party (of such a crime as stated above) is finally executed after some years. It’s being *done* and *completed* in any case.


43 posted on 04/06/2009 11:23:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: NinoFan

Yes, if justice was swifter (a death penalty offense shouldn’t take more than a year for a jury trial, appeal to the governor and all) then we wouldn’t be calling for a vigilante torture fest. When we are denied reasonable justice, we get unreasonable. Justice is absolutely necessary for a civilized society.

I’d like to see a fair trial with a jury of 12 decent citizens, properly conducted. Then I’d like to see the accused, if found guilty, swiftly killed. They can appeal to the governor if they think they have some grounds for appeal. That’s it.


44 posted on 04/06/2009 11:30:33 PM PDT by Marie2 (The capacity for self-government is a moral quality. Only a moral people can be free.)
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