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FBI joins effort in hostage standoff with pirates
AP ^ | 3/9/2009 | ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY

Posted on 04/09/2009 7:47:00 AM PDT by jcb2009

NAIROBI, Kenya – FBI hostage negotiators joined U.S. Navy efforts Thursday to free an American ship captain held captive on a lifeboat by Somali pirates. A U.S. destroyer and a spy plane kept close watch in the high-seas standoff near the Horn of Africa.

The pirates took Capt. Richard Phillips hostage Wednesday after they hijacked the U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama, then fled the cargo ship as the vessel's crew overpowered them. It was the first such attack on American sailors in about 200 years.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0bama; hostage; maritime; piracy; somalipirates
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1 posted on 04/09/2009 7:47:00 AM PDT by jcb2009
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Don’t understand why the FBI needs to “negotiate” when the Navy has SEAL teams. If the boat is out of gas and drifting, the pirates don’t have too many options at this point.


2 posted on 04/09/2009 7:48:33 AM PDT by jcb2009 ((I can't tell who the Chi-Coms are anymore))
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To: jcb2009

Obama will give the Somalis billions in aid plus 2 million green cards. These people like him are evil. Call in the snipers.


3 posted on 04/09/2009 7:49:18 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: jcb2009

Who needs the FBI when we have quite a few Marines in the area?


4 posted on 04/09/2009 7:49:19 AM PDT by oyez (People! You're being pimped!)
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To: jcb2009
NAIROBI, Kenya – FBI hostage negotiators joined U.S. Navy efforts Thursday to free an American ship captain held captive on a lifeboat by Somali pirates.

The FBI needs to sit down and shut up. Their job is inside the borders. This is a job for SEALs or the CIA.

Personally I'd subcontract it out to the KGB/FSB .... different rules of engagement.

5 posted on 04/09/2009 7:50:33 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: oyez
Hussein says; no more war against Muslims...law enforcement only!
6 posted on 04/09/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by roses of sharon (Pray Hussein fails!)
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To: jcb2009

Excuse me, but that’s idiotic. The FBI negotiators have no cultural background for dealing with Somalis.


7 posted on 04/09/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Centurion2000

American elections are being stolen at a wholesale level and the FBI is off the coast of Africa ?


8 posted on 04/09/2009 7:51:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: jcb2009

If the boat is out of gas and drifting, the pirates don’t have too many options at this point.

I am confused. If the media can report that the boat is out of gas, then why doesn’t the military know where they are? This reminds me of the Larry the Cable Guy thing about not being able to find Sadam Heusein - hell, he’s being interviewed by Larry King, have him hit him up side the head.


9 posted on 04/09/2009 7:52:19 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (You know why thereÂ’s a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.)
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To: jcb2009
Are they planning to set the ship on fire?
10 posted on 04/09/2009 7:52:38 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Honk if I'm paying your f'n mortgage, you lazy bastard! Nice car by the way.)
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To: jcb2009
Don’t understand why the FBI needs to “negotiate” when the Navy has SEAL teams. If the boat is out of gas and drifting, the pirates don’t have too many options at this point.

I was thinking the exact same thing... SEAL divers simply puncture the lifeboat to give the pirates some incentive.

And then some new policies need to be put into effect. Arm the merchant ships, and any unidentified ships should be immediately be fired upon and sunk. No survivors should be picked up.

Mark

11 posted on 04/09/2009 7:53:11 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Centurion2000

I’d bring in the Mossad.


12 posted on 04/09/2009 7:53:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: oyez
This is a reprise of Clinton's performance after the Trade center attack in 93. He treated it as a fedeeral crime, like bank robbery, and called in the FBI when he should have called in the Marines.

Obama makes Clinton look like Teddy Roosevelt so did we expect anything more than hostage negotiation?

13 posted on 04/09/2009 7:54:24 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: trisham

That would solve the problem. Good call!


14 posted on 04/09/2009 7:54:27 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Truly beyond comprehension. This is but a snapshot of our future.


15 posted on 04/09/2009 7:54:49 AM PDT by mcshot (The line in the sand has been drawn: It's good vs evil.)
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To: jcb2009

Thank God....the FBI is on the case. I was really worried that the lawyers were being left out of this incident.

The FBI has global jurisdiction of all America’s problems. Eric Holder will see to it that the criminals are brought to justice.


16 posted on 04/09/2009 7:55:20 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: jcb2009
It was the first such attack on American sailors in about 200 years.

Not to pick nits, but the media should be correct.

Those are not sailors.
Sailors are members of the US Navy. - Those men are mariners.

17 posted on 04/09/2009 7:55:28 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Centurion2000

I agree...I believe the FBI messed up the Cole investigation also.


18 posted on 04/09/2009 7:55:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Thank you, kind sir. :)


19 posted on 04/09/2009 7:56:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jcb2009

SSDD

When the Founding Fathers Faced Islamists

"Back in 1784, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson had to decide whether to appease or stand up to armed Middle Eastern pirates. Sound familiar?

.... The Middle East, a term coined by Alfred Thayer Mahan, one of McCain’s boyhood idols, is where both American warfare and American diplomacy began in the late 18th century, as our infant republic faced its first post-Revolutionary struggle against the evocatively named Barbary States of the Ottoman Empire.

The regencies of Tripoli, Tunis, and Algiers (future homes of Muammar Qaddafi, Yasser Arafat, and the Islamic Salvation Front, respectively) had been hosting and sponsoring Islamic piracy since the Middle Ages. Scimitar-wielding corsairs would regularly interrupt the flow of trade and traffic along the coasts of North Africa, seizing European vessels and taking their crews into bondage. Cervantes wrote his first play, in the 16th century, about the dread corsairs, and by the 18th, the American colonies had a minor seagoing presence in the Mediterranean protected by the redoubtable British Navy. But the Crown was reluctant to war against so petty an antagonist, preferring to pay “tribute” to the Barbary States instead, as a shopkeeper would protection money to the mafia. After the U.S. broke away from England and became its own nation, however, the geopolitical dynamics changed, as did the American equanimity with doing business with pirates.

In 1784, corsairs attacked the Betsy, a 300-ton brig that had sailed from Boston to Tenerife Island, about 100 miles off the North African coast, selling her new-made citizens as chattel on the markets of Morocco. The U.S. was not free of its own moral taint of slavery, of course, but it would be impossible to hasten the industrial development that would eventually render the agrarian-plantation economy obsolete if merchant ships could not be assured of safe conduct near the Turkish Porte. Other vessels, such as the Dauphin and Maria, were also seized, this time by Algiers, and the horrifying experiences of their captive passengers relayed back home were the cause for outrage. James Leander Cathcart described the dungeon in which he was being kept as “perfectly dark…where the slaves sleep four tiers deep…many nearly naked, and few with anything more than an old tattered blanket to cover them in the depth of winter.”

In response, Thomas Jefferson, then the Minister to France, suggested a multilateral approach of what we would now term “deterrence.” He asked that Spain, Portugal, Naples, Denmark, Sweden and France enter into a coalition with America to dissuade the regencies from their criminal assaults on life, liberty and the pursuit of international commerce. As Michael Oren, in his magisterial history Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East: 1776 to Present relates, “By deterring, rather than appeasing, Barbary, the United States would preserve its economy and send an unambiguous message to potentially hostile powers.” Jefferson thought it would impress Europe if America could do what Europe had failed to do for centuries and beat back the persistent thuggery of Islamists. “It will procure us respect,” said the author of the Declaration of Independence. “And respect is a safeguard to interest.”

This sober judgment fused the cold calculations of latter-day “realism” with the morality behind revolutionary interventionism: not only would America protect its citizens from plunder and foreign slaveholding; it would ensure that other countries under “Christendom” were similarly protected.

Though Jefferson found a stalwart Continental ally in a former one, the Marquis de Lafayette, France squelched the idea of a NATO made of buckshot and cannon. While waiting for funds that would never come from Congress for the construction of a 150-gun navy, the sage of Monticello resigned himself to further diplomacy with the enemy. In 1785, he dispatched John Lamb, a Connecticut businessman, to secure the release of hostages in Algiers, held by its dynastic sovereign Hassan Dey. Lamb failed ignominiously.

At the same time, John Adams, then minister to England, agreed to receive the pasha of Tripoli, ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Ajar, in his London quarters to discuss a possible peace deal. Adams described his interlocutor as a man who looked all “pestilence and war,” a suspicion that was soon confirmed by the pasha’s demand of 30,000 guineas for his statelet, plus a 3,000 guinea gratuity for himself. He also did Adams the favor of estimating what it would cost the U.S. to broker a similar deal with Tunis, Morocco and Algiers — the total price for blackmail would be about $1 million, or a tenth the annual budget of the United States.

Adams was incensed. “It would be more proper to write [of his meeting with ‘Abd al-Rahman] for the… New York Theatre,” he thundered. He agreed with Jefferson that a military response was increasingly likely, but Adams doubted his country’s economic ability to sustain it. For the short term, he thought it better to offer “one Gift of two hundred Thousand Pounds” rather than forfeit “a Million annually” in trade revenue, which the pirates were sure to disrupt. Not long thereafter, Jefferson joined him in London to prevent the “universal and horrible War” and reach an accord with the refractory envoy from Tripoli. Both gentlemen of the Enlightenment, and comrades in revolution, affirmed America’s desire for peace, its respect for all nations, and suggested a treaty of lasting friendship with the regency. ‘Abd al-Rahman listened well, but his reply was one that would shock modern ears less than it did those of the two Founding Fathers:

“It was… written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged [the Muslims’] authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon wheoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Though a period of paying tribute and douceurs (or “softeners” — expensive trickets and toys) to Islamic pirates would continue, the words of ‘Abd al-Rahman Adams were chilling enough to leave Adams and Jefferson in no doubt as to the sanguinary and messianic nature of their adversary. “An angel sent on this business,” lamented Jefferson, “could have done nothing” to placate such men. He called them “sea dogs” and a “pettifogging nest of robbers.” The episode preceded further acts of piracy against American vessels and the imprisonment and sale of its crews and passengers, and was enough to get Jefferson to overlook his wariness of federalism and agree to a Constitution with a strong central government capable of building and keeping a powerful navy. Adams, as it turned out, was more worried that American opinion wouldn’t rally for war, or accept its dire consequences. But the Philadelphia convention that drafted our national covenant in 1787 was hastened, and its welter of opinions unified, by the Barbary question. As the historian Thomas Bailey wrote, “In an indirect sense, the brutal Dey of Algiers was a Founding Father of the Constitution.”

Barbary Pirates torture western prisoners

America still sued for peace. The Betsy’s release had been negotiated, albeit abjectly, and to the accompaniment of America’s first diplomatic accord, the Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Ship-Signals, signed with Morocco in 1786. But no sooner was the ship let go and its captives freed than it was recaptured by Tunis and renamed the Mashuda. Also, Washington at one point found itself spending 20% of its annual revenue in paying blackmail to a loose confederation of terrorists on the high seas. Under Jefferson’s presidency, the first era of American military predominance was inaugurated, with men like William Bainbridge, William Eaton and the Byronic swashbuckler Stephen Decatur, becoming folk heroes.

....Santayana got it backwards, in fact: even those who remember history are still doomed to repeat it."


20 posted on 04/09/2009 7:56:02 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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