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To: henkster

> I would not want to be pastor of 0bama’s church. That pastor should be very worried about his job if he ever strayed from the “approved message.”

If I were pastor of Obama’s church I would demand first to see his Birth and Baptism Certificates — the real ones.


8 posted on 04/09/2009 8:05:28 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
His campaign staff lied during the campaign and said he's ALWAYS been a Christian. His mother was agnostic. His fathers were semi-non-observant muslims.

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies," Obama wrote. "My mother wasn't overly concerned. 'Be respectful,' she'd say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words."

I doubt that either of his parents had him baptized as a Christian seeing as neither of them were. I doubt that his Unitarian grandmother had him baptized as a Christian as well.

He's said that it was the former muslim Jeremiah Wright who brought him to Christ. I'd like to know if Jeremiah baptised Barack and also what was it that brought Jeremiah Wright to give up Islam for Christianity.

This 2004 puff piece erroneously labels his mother a Christian:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

Meanwhile...

In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father Barack Obama wrote, “My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess... In a land [Indonesia] where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hardship... she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism.”

In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, “I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known.”

Religion for her was “just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives,” Obama wrote.

In 2007 Obama described his mother as “a Christian from Kansas.” “I was raised by my mother,” he continued. “So, I’ve always been a Christian.”

Also in 2007, he said in a speech, “My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution. And as a consequence, so did I”

33 posted on 04/09/2009 8:23:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ( “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”NYTimes Bill Kell)
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